Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Jens Olav Nygaard
Since I just came across one of these again, here is an example, again BLFS and not LFS... this time in ghostscript: chown -v -R root:root /usr/local/share/ghostscript/fonts J.O. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See th

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Jens Olav Nygaard
Matthew Burgess wrote: Err, *hundreds* of lines? What commands did you add '-v' on to make it output that much. In the vast majority of cases it should just be one line per command, I would imagine. Ahemm... May have been an exaggeration, but nevertheless, there was a lot of "scrolling away

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 7/28/05, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/28/05 12:16 CST: > > > Err, *hundreds* of lines? What commands did you add '-v' on to make it > > output that much. In the vast majority of cases it should just be one > > line per command, I would im

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/28/05 12:16 CST: > Err, *hundreds* of lines? What commands did you add '-v' on to make it > output that much. In the vast majority of cases it should just be one > line per command, I would imagine. I took the OP to mean the BLFS additions of -v. Over o

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Matthew Burgess
Jens Olav Nygaard wrote: Since everybody seems to be so positive... I found it extremely annoying when I realized this change, as hundreds of lines scrolled by, and all the useful information from previous commands just scrolled into oblivion. Err, *hundreds* of lines? What commands did you a

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-28 Thread Jens Olav Nygaard
Matthew Burgess wrote: policy. Does anyone have any strong opinions either way? Since everybody seems to be so positive... I found it extremely annoying when I realized this change, as hundreds of lines scrolled by, and all the useful information from previous commands just scrolled into obli

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Matthew Burgess
Gerard Beekmans wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: the result of running the command was (especially in the case of 'ln') Do you mean to say that the book would then also show all the to-be expected output? No. The expected output should be obvious, therefore it should also be obvious to the

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Greg Schafer wrote: Oops. Please forget I even mentioned the "old host" issue. It's pretty much a non-issue seeing as LFS demands a 2.6 kernel on the host these days. This means `mkdir' vs `install -d' doesn't really belong in this thread. Sorry for the diversion.. Right. Well tonight's turning

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Greg Schafer
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > I understand what the proposal was about. You mentioned the possibility > of some of the host tools not being able to produce verbosity as > expected, with the specific example of mkdir. That led me to wonder how > often we currently use mkdir and so I branched... Oops

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Randy McMurchy wrote: The biggest reason to use install -d instead of mkdir is that using the install -d command allows you to also place a -m755 (or whatever mode you wish) on the command. This creates directories with the desired permissions, unlike mkdir which creates the directory using permi

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Greg Schafer wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: I recall that early in chapter 6 there was a change to 'install -d' over 'mkdir' for the Create Directories section Yes, but the proposal is not about that. I understand what the proposal was about. You mentioned the possibility of some of the h

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
Greg Schafer wrote these words on 07/27/05 19:25 CST: > IMHO it's not worth it for those obvious ones. As Randy says, only when > custom perms are needed should you need to resort to `install -d' Just to set the record straight. I am not saying to use 'install -d' when "custom" perms are required

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Greg Schafer
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > I recall that early in chapter 6 there was a change to 'install -d' over > 'mkdir' for the Create Directories section Yes, but the proposal is not about that. > Plus, any time we create a separate build directory, as in: > mkdir ../binutils-build IMHO it's not worth it

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 07/27/05 19:01 CST: > I recall that early in chapter 6 there was a change to 'install -d' over > 'mkdir' for the Create Directories section though I can't remember the > reason behind that particular change. I don't suppose it would hurt to > change out the

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread GN
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 17:01, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: [...] > Plus, any time we create a separate build directory, as in: > mkdir ../binutils-build I see the logic in using install in the other directories as you suggest, not necessarily in the ../*build ones. My $.02 SeattleGaucho -- http:/

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Greg Schafer wrote: Just be careful when using them early in the build before you've installed coreutils. You need to be wary of host issues. For example, `mkdir' on RH62 doesn't support -v (but `install -d' does :-) I recall that early in chapter 6 there was a change to 'install -d' over 'mk

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Greg Schafer
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Some time ago, BLFS added the '-v' (verbose) flag to common Unix > commands ('mv', 'ln', etc.) so that it was clearer to readers Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been doing exactly that for quite a while so I fully support LFS adopting it. > a) what > the result

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Gerard Beekmans
Matthew Burgess wrote: the result of running the command was (especially in the case of 'ln') Do you mean to say that the book would then also show all the to-be expected output? and b) if they'd made an error. It also, of course, helps greatly when perusing log files. I'm therefore propo

Re: [Proposal] Add verbose switch to commands that accept it

2005-07-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/27/05 15:23 CST: > Some time ago, BLFS added the '-v' (verbose) flag to common Unix > commands ('mv', 'ln', etc.) so that it was clearer to readers a) what > the result of running the command was (especially in the case of 'ln') > and b) if they'd made an