Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bryan Kadzban wrote: [snip] Thanks for the clarifications, they were very helpful. > Forcing the user to build the kernel before they start may work I would think that doing this would provide optimal build results for glibc. If you do it after the first pass of gcc, but before glibc, then yo

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread DJ Lucas
DJ Lucas wrote: > DJ Lucas wrote: > >> DJ Lucas wrote: >> >> >>> This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from >>> 20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still >>> has an issue. >>> >>> >>> >> A couple of quick builds co

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> Ken Moffat wrote: >>> but also I think we should encourage >>> people to build a new kernel first (if they aren't using a Live CD) >>> so that they can be sure it works with their .config, and the

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Bryan Kadzban пишет: >> It *looks* like vimtutor -- or at least the way LFS installs it now >> -- has simply gotten better. If that's correct: Yay! ;-) > > Yes, that's correct, and that's old news. Exactly because

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread DJ Lucas
DJ Lucas wrote: > DJ Lucas wrote: > >> This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from >> 20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still >> has an issue. >> >> > A couple of quick builds confirms that it is the current Debian patch > that

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Perhaps I'm not understanding your point. Certainly > --enable-kernel=current would cover that very circumstance? --enable-kernel=current breaks downgrades that are inevitable after any RedHat release, and introduces a new variable into the build. That's why I am agains

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: >> To me, 2.6.9 is ancient history! (4 years old). I think something >> like 2.6.16 (purely because it is still getting long-term support >> updates) is a better minimum, but also I think we should encourage >> people to build a new kernel first (if they

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Bryan Kadzban пишет: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > DJ Lucas wrote: >> ## Test 4 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] TESTS]$ export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] TESTS]$ vimtutor >> === >> =Д о б р

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Ken Moffat wrote: > To me, 2.6.9 is ancient history! (4 years old). I think something > like 2.6.16 (purely because it is still getting long-term support > updates) is a better minimum, but also I think we should encourage > people to build a

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 DJ Lucas wrote: > ## Test 4 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] TESTS]$ export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] TESTS]$ vimtutor > === > =Д о б р о п о ж а л о в а т ь в у ч

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
William Immendorf wrote: > As for the i18n patch, I am going to say, 'No way, Jose.' Your distro, your rules. As for the book, your opinion will be ignored until you start to contribute something useful. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linux

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread DJ Lucas
DJ Lucas wrote: > This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from > 20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still > has an issue. > A couple of quick builds confirms that it is the current Debian patch that caused the regression. -- DJ Lucas

Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread William Immendorf
DJ Lucas wrote: >This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from >20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still >has an issue. Need to see if we can dig up the proper patch or changes >necessary to make it work correctly, and we still need to kill

Re: Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread DJ Lucas
DJ Lucas wrote: > This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from > 20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still > has an issue. Need to see if we can dig up the proper patch or changes > necessary to make it work correctly, and we still need to ki

Current state of i18n

2008-10-20 Thread DJ Lucas
This is long, but mostly just test output. This tested on a box from 20081012 with the added coreutils-i18n patch. Apparently, grep still has an issue. Need to see if we can dig up the proper patch or changes necessary to make it work correctly, and we still need to kill vi_VN.TCVN in GLibc.

Re: Ticket #2115 - another note about unpacking and changingdirectories

2008-10-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Matthew Burgess wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:15 -0400, Jeremy Huntwork > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/2115 >>> >>> I am starting to address the subject ticket. I propose to follow Chris' >>> suggestion and move the 'Toolch

Re: Ticket #2115 - another note about unpacking and changingdirectories

2008-10-20 Thread Jack Gates
On Monday 20 October 2008 04:55:26 pm Matthew Burgess wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:15 -0400, Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/2115 > >> > >> I am starting to address the subject ticket. I propose to > >> follo

Re: Ticket #2115 - another note about unpacking and changingdirectories

2008-10-20 Thread Matthew Burgess
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:15 -0400, Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/2115 >> >> I am starting to address the subject ticket. I propose to follow Chris' >> suggestion and move the 'Toolchain Technical Notes' section to th

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 07:24:50PM +0200, Gilles Espinasse wrote: > Selon Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ... > > LFS dev has on glibc --enable-kernel=2.6.0 > FC9 has set --enable-kernel=2.6.9 > Debian lenny has set --enable-kernel=2.6.18 > Greg has the same 2.6.18 setting on glibc chroot compil

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Gilles Espinasse
Selon Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: ... > > In an *ideal* world, I still think that building the kernel version > used in LFS on the host is the way to go. Doesn't fit every usage, > but it has to be a lot better than attempting to support people > building from some antique version of 2.6. LF

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:36:14AM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> * "Gcc-3.0.1" can at _least_ become "Gcc-2.95" I don't know if you >> want to mention "egcs-2.91.66" but it works. >> > Possibly, but if you have to build a linux-2.6 kernel on the old > host, you won't be a

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > That's interesting Jeremy, but as a minimum, I wouldn't want to make the > changes > for LFS 6.4. I don't think you are proposing that but I wanted to make it > explicit. Yes, I wasn't aiming for 6.4. As I said, these changes will be going into the jh branch. The only thi

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:36:14AM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > > * "Gcc-3.0.1" can at _least_ become "Gcc-2.95" I don't know if you > want to mention "egcs-2.91.66" but it works. > Possibly, but if you have to build a linux-2.6 kernel on the old host, you won't be able to build a recent v

Re: Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > So after some testing on a Redhat 6.2 system, I can say definitely that > our host pre-reqs are higher than they technically need to be. I'd like > to eventually drop all the below changes into the jh branch, but I just > wanted to give a little status report first, for

Re: Xorg-7.4

2008-10-20 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Nathan Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh, btw pre Xorg 7.4, there was the dri2 stuff. That was removed > before releasing Xorg 7.4. Mesa 3d 7.1 used dri2, while Mesa 7.2 had > that removed. The dri2 stuff was dependent on the TTM memory manager, which is

Re: Xorg-7.4

2008-10-20 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM, DJ Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > xf86-video-intel is probably a big problem. It fails specifically > because of changes in libdrm. Hopefully 2.4.3 is out soon. I haven't > investigated the others because I do not even know what they are. Ah, you're tread

Minimum Host Prerequisites

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Hello, So after some testing on a Redhat 6.2 system, I can say definitely that our host pre-reqs are higher than they technically need to be. I'd like to eventually drop all the below changes into the jh branch, but I just wanted to give a little status report first, for those interested. Firs

Re: Toolchain Adjustment broken?

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Greg Schafer wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > >> I think this is the right answer. Greg, if you're reading, do you have >> any comments to make on this topic? > > None at all, sorry. Next Gen build method utilizes cross compilation for > the initial Pass 1 toolchain which avoids fixincludes pro

Re: Toolchain Adjustment broken?

2008-10-20 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
DJ Lucas wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> The command I propose is: >> >> GCC_FIXED=`dirname $(gcc -print-libgcc-file-name)`/include-fixed && >> find ${GCC_FIXED}/* -maxdepth 0 -xtype d -exec rm -rvf '{}' \; && >> rm -vf `grep -l "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" ${GCC_FIXED}/*` && >> unset GCC_FIXED > So

Re: Re: loop-aes swap

2008-10-20 Thread pinotj
>> Also, I think we talked about adding loop-aes to hlfs a long time ago, >> and it was voted against because its a physical security thing... but >> with swap it's not. If someone has read access to the swap device >> (someone in the 'disc' group), they could find sensitive information. >> GnuPG

Re: Toolchain Adjustment broken?

2008-10-20 Thread Greg Schafer
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > I think this is the right answer. Greg, if you're reading, do you have > any comments to make on this topic? None at all, sorry. Next Gen build method utilizes cross compilation for the initial Pass 1 toolchain which avoids fixincludes problems altogether. But I suspect