Re: Separate book?

2006-05-29 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > The problem is not "how" (which is already dealt with), but "why". I.e., one could say that some sysfs attributes for SCSI devices are created after the uevent is sent. That's why we have the WAIT_FOR_SYSFS rule that waits for "ioerr_cnt". But it will be certainly be

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Gerard Beekmans
How about you guys please take this in private. This is getting rather personal and this isn't the place I'm afraid. -- Gerard Beekmans /* If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem */ -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
TheOldFellow wrote these words on 05/29/06 14:29 CST: > Randy McMurchy wrote: >> Some of whom paid that price to defend *your* country. > > I asked because I didn't know. I took your message the wrong way. If instead of trying to make a joke, you had said, "What holiday is that you guys are honor

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread TheOldFellow
Randy McMurchy wrote: TheOldFellow wrote these words on 05/29/06 11:25 CST: What Holy Day? Please, Richard, be careful here. Lest someone will be truly offended. In America, this day is revered in memory of friends and family members that have paid the ultimate sacrifice in time of war. Some

Re: md5sum of tetex-texmf-3.0.tar.gz seems to be wrong

2006-05-29 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 5/29/06, Thomas Ulrich Nockmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, the md5sum of tetex-texmf-3.0.tar.gz as stated on http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/pst/typesetting.html#tetex seems to be wrong. See links -dump \ http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/3.0/distrib/CHE

Re: Segmentation fault while installing cpio-2.6(Texinfo-4.8)

2006-05-29 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 5/29/06, Thomas Ulrich Nockmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: while installing cpio-2.6 as described at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/cpio.html I'd got a Segmentation fault while executing 'make -C doc pdf'. This is a blfs-support issue. The LFS on this machine is a

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
TheOldFellow wrote these words on 05/29/06 11:25 CST: > What Holy Day? Please, Richard, be careful here. Lest someone will be truly offended. In America, this day is revered in memory of friends and family members that have paid the ultimate sacrifice in time of war. Some of whom paid that price

Segmentation fault while installing cpio-2.6(Texinfo-4.8)

2006-05-29 Thread Thomas Ulrich Nockmann
Hello, while installing cpio-2.6 as described at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/cpio.html I'd got a Segmentation fault while executing 'make -C doc pdf'. The LFS on this machine is a mixture between Stable LFS and Development BLFS. But what I see is that the installati

md5sum of tetex-texmf-3.0.tar.gz seems to be wrong

2006-05-29 Thread Thomas Ulrich Nockmann
Hello, the md5sum of tetex-texmf-3.0.tar.gz as stated on http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/pst/typesetting.html#tetex seems to be wrong. See links -dump \ http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/3.0/distrib/CHECKSUMS\ | grep tetex-texmf-3.0.tar.gz \|||/ `@|@`thomas - -

Re: Separate book?

2006-05-29 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 5/29/06, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem is not "how" (which is already dealt with), but "why". I.e., one could say that some sysfs attributes for SCSI devices are created after the uevent is sent. That's why we have the WAIT_FOR_SYSFS rule that waits for "ioerr_cn

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread TheOldFellow
Randy McMurchy wrote: Who put you in charge of something as important as changing the fundamental way things are done? You gotta be kidding. You are going to call for a vote during a holiday weekend and end it during that same holiday weekend. Totally unreasonable. What Holy Day? R. -- http:

Re: Separate book?

2006-05-29 Thread Gerard Beekmans
> The problem is not "how" (which is already dealt with), but "why". I.e., one could say that some sysfs attributes for SCSI devices are created after the uevent is sent. That's why we have the WAIT_FOR_SYSFS rule that waits for "ioerr_cnt". But it will be certainly better to show where exactl

Re: Separate book?

2006-05-29 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Matthew Burgess wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: 1. Target audience. It is impossible to understand udev and kernel fully without reading the source. So, at least for some sections, a working knowledge of C must be assumed. AFAIK, this is unacceptable for the LFS book. Indeed, and in fac

udev and bootscripts

2006-05-29 Thread Gerard Beekmans
Hi guys, I think I'm one of few who just gotten utterly lost in the long threads regarding the issues of udev and bootscripts. I'm not going to raise the noise on this list by asking for summaries because I think I no longer understand the viewpoints of the affected projects (co-) leaders. I'v

Re: Separate book?

2006-05-29 Thread Matthew Burgess
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: 1. Target audience. It is impossible to understand udev and kernel fully without reading the source. So, at least for some sections, a working knowledge of C must be assumed. AFAIK, this is unacceptable for the LFS book. Indeed, and in fact, I think it is unaccep

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 5/29/06, Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: By my count there are 5 that indicated contrary. Most of those said to leave things they way they are. In fact, I believe (I'm not going back to check, so I could be wrong), all 5 are editors in the project as well. Including the project co

Re: Separate book? (was: Bootscripts merge?)

2006-05-29 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Bruce Dubbs wrote: On 5/29/06, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Simply because the adequate (i.e.: with good educational value and technical correctness) explanation of the udev topic is way too thick for the LFS book. Why? BLFS is up to about 1100 pages and LFS is somewhere

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Ag Hatzimanikas
On Mon, May 29, at 06:48:42 Randy McMurchy wrote: > > Who put you in charge of something as important as changing the > fundamental way things are done? You gotta be kidding. You are > going to call for a vote during a holiday weekend and end it > during that same holiday weekend. Totally unreason

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Thomas Pegg
Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: On Sun, May 28, at 07:04:20 Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: perhaps a new book with any relative info that has to do with: a.'Handling Devices' (udev) b.'Boot process' (init schemes,bootscripts,bootmanager,etc) c.'Automounting Devices' d.'Volumes,raid

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Chris Staub
Randy McMurchy wrote: I will come back to my house late night, and if there is no serious reason against the idea, the voting procedure will come to an end. Who put you in charge of something as important as changing the fundamental way things are done? You gotta be kidding. You are going to

Re: Bootscripts merge? (Was: Summarize of Plan and changes)

2006-05-29 Thread Bruce Dubbs
On 5/29/06, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Simply because the adequate (i.e.: with good educational value and technical correctness) explanation of the udev topic is way too thick for the LFS book. Why? BLFS is up to about 1100 pages and LFS is somewhere around 300. There is

Corrections to Xorg7 dependencies

2006-05-29 Thread Chris Staub
1. Xorg-server says it depends on Xorg fonts and Xorg libs. However, Xorg fonts already needs Apps, which needs Libs, so the Libs dependency in server is redundant. 2. Same goes for the pkg-config dependency in xterm. It needs the Xorg-server, which needs Fonts, which need Apps, which need Lib

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 04:59:14PM +0300, Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: > > I propose the creation of a new udev/bootscript/kernel/doc team. > I nominate Alexander Patrakov as the new Leader of this project, > and also Dan Nicholson, DJ Lucas, Ken Moffat as members of the team. > I've been away from

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ag Hatzimanikas wrote these words on 05/29/06 01:38 CST: > Judging from the community reactions so far, it seems that is safe to assume > that > the community gave positive vote to the new project. By my count there are 5 that indicated contrary. Most of those said to leave things they way they

Re: Bootscripts merge? (Was: Summarize of Plan and changes)

2006-05-29 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Matthew Burgess wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: perhaps a new book with any relative info that has to do with: a.'Handling Devices' (udev) b.'Boot process' (init schemes,bootscripts,bootmanager,etc) c.'Automounting Devices' d.'Volumes,raid etc...' e.'Partitiong sche

Cdparanoia includes patch?

2006-05-29 Thread Andrew Benton
Hello World, does anyone know why we apply the cdparanoia-III-alpha9.8-includes-1.patch to cdparanoia? For me, it builds and runs fine without the patch. Andy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above

Re: Bootscripts merge? (Was: Summarize of Plan and changes)

2006-05-29 Thread Matthew Burgess
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: perhaps a new book with any relative info that has to do with: a.'Handling Devices' (udev) b.'Boot process' (init schemes,bootscripts,bootmanager,etc) c.'Automounting Devices' d.'Volumes,raid etc...' e.'Partitiong schemes,filesystems,etc' f.'

Re: OFFICIAL PROPOSAL.

2006-05-29 Thread steve crosby
On 5/29/06, Ag Hatzimanikas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, May 28, at 04:59:14 Ag Hatzimanikas wrote: > > I propose the creation of a new udev/bootscript/kernel/doc team. > I nominate Alexander Patrakov as the new Leader of this project, > and also Dan Nicholson, DJ Lucas, Ken Moffat as mem

Re: Toolchain upgrades

2006-05-29 Thread Declan Moriarty
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 00:18 -0400, Robert Connolly wrote: > I have attached my preliminary/experimental differences to build HLFS with > gcc-4.1.1 and glibc-2.4. Comments are welcome. > That's a whole pile of good work, and behind that is a lot of frustrating unseen hours. I am going to run with

Re: A plea for shorter threads...

2006-05-29 Thread TheOldFellow
Shane Shields wrote: TheOldFellow wrote: Guys, I'm having real problems following the 'discussions' on bootscripts and udev. The main issue is that the thread nesting has gotten so deep that Thunderbird gives up. So I can't see who said what to whom about what. /me pops up from the dark