Wayne,
After reading Andrzej's and Jean-Pierre's justifications, I understood
the reaction and agree it is too early for such change. Thanks for
reverting the patch, let's roll with v5!
Cheers,
Orson
On 02/24/2018 02:46 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> Orson,
>
> The problem is that users have been
Orson,
The problem is that users have been using zones in non-copper layers so
the expectation is that they will be able to continue to use them. I
tested this and when you create a zone on a non-copper zone using the
zone editor tool, it actually saves the object as a zone which is
differen
Le 24/02/2018 à 08:42, Maciej Suminski a écrit :
> Sorry for late answer, I will not have a reliable Internet connection until
> Sunday evening. I
> removed the option to draw ZONE_CONTAINERs as they are dedicated to copper
> layers. For graphical
> items there is DRAWSEGMENT of POLYGON type. If
Sorry for late answer, I will not have a reliable Internet connection until
Sunday evening. I removed the option to draw ZONE_CONTAINERs as they are
dedicated to copper layers. For graphical items there is DRAWSEGMENT of POLYGON
type. If you find it unacceptable, please revert the commit. I am n
There are a number of missing features in the polygon tool that exist
in the zone editor. Adding corners is a large one.
Cutouts would be a big regression. I think gr_poly is a single polygon
and cannot have cutouts?
Andrzej
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A feature I would like to add someday to Kicad is hatched fill in zones,
so you can make copper like this:
https://imgur.com/FaCvvwi
or silkscreen like this:
https://imgur.com/NuRkTKs
or maybe soldermask like this:
https://imgur.com/v3elnHL
This is one of the reasons I would like to keep zones o
I have just found nice bug in 4.0.
If you first edit copper zone and set corner smoothing to chamfer, then
you can make non copper zone with chamfered corners:
https://imgur.com/a/GsLn2
Andrzej
W dniu 2018-02-24 o 02:15, Seth Hillbrand pisze:
Playing with the tool some more, I can see that A
On 02/23/2018 08:24 PM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:
Does the polygon tool allow you to edit zones on non-copper layers or
were zones on non-copper layers saved as polygons? If the latter is
the case then I'm guessing this change is not significant but if that
is not the case then there could be s
Does the polygon tool allow you to edit zones on non-copper layers or
were zones on non-copper layers saved as polygons? If the latter is
the case then I'm guessing this change is not significant but if that
is not the case then there could be some editing issues.
Zones on non copper laye
OK, yeah it does look like some things are no longer possible, so it makes
sense to wait until Orson wakes up to this barrage of emails :)
On Feb 23, 2018 20:07, "Andrzej Wolski" wrote:
>
> Was it ever possible to run the fill algorithm (meaning, only fill in
>> parts of a polygon outline, based
Playing with the tool some more, I can see that Andrzej is right. There
are a number of missing features in the polygon tool that exist in the zone
editor. Adding corners is a large one.
If you have an existing non-copper zone, it seems you can keep it, change
its layer, add cut-outs, etc. Even
Was it ever possible to run the fill algorithm (meaning, only fill in
parts of a polygon outline, based on some clearance to other items on
the same layer) on a non-copper zone?
No, I didn't mean it was already possible.
Seth, yes I see that dialog too in old builds, but the outline
appeara
There definitely was a change in the commit that removed
InvokeNonCopperZonesEditor() from the ZONE_CREATE_HELPER tool so I can
see how this would be jarring for users that have been using that
feature. I'm going to wait until Orson responds to my original
question. If we are going to make a
I can edit existing zones on non copper layers, but I can't place new one.
What I mean is zones and polygons behave differently and I think they
both should be there.
But maybe I do not fully understand the intentions.
Andrzej
W dniu 2018-02-24 o 01:37, Wayne Stambaugh pisze:
I'm seeing this
But setting the width of a graphical polygon to 0 removes the size
issue Andrzej mentioned.
But the you don't have them with rounded corners :)
For filling vs. non-filling, I don't personally see the usefulness in
having the fill algorithm run over a polygon that will always be
filled. But
This is what I'm trying to determine. It sounds like this was a
premature assessment on my part. If this is the case, I will branch and
tag rc1 now.
On 02/23/2018 07:49 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
Was it ever possible to run the fill algorithm (meaning, only fill in
parts of a polygon outline, base
Seth,
So you can still edit files with zones without using the zone tool or
does the polygon tool pop up for editing zones on non-copper layers? I
don't have any boards with zones on non-copper layers. As long as they
are still editable, then I don't see the problem.
As far filled versus u
What behavior do you mean?
In 4.0 and nightly from few days ago zones on non copper layers:
- have outline drawn like zones, not like graphic polygons (I mean
difference in size)
- can be displayed in outline mode (hatched, fully hatched etc),
polygons can't
Moreover, zones have tools like "cr
Was it ever possible to run the fill algorithm (meaning, only fill in parts
of a polygon outline, based on some clearance to other items on the same
layer) on a non-copper zone?
I might be missing something, but from looking over the code (even back at
4.0 branch) I don't think this has ever been s
I have a number of zones on non-copper layers in older designs. They used
to have the attached dialog.
But setting the width of a graphical polygon to 0 removes the size
issue Andrzej mentioned.
For filling vs. non-filling, I don't personally see the usefulness in
having the fill algorithm run o
I'm seeing this as well. Andrzej, are you sure this is correct? Can
you not edit zones on non-copper layers any longer?
On 02/23/2018 07:26 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
I went back to an older version of master (back around September of last
year) and I can't make a zone on a non-copper layer that be
I went back to an older version of master (back around September of last
year) and I can't make a zone on a non-copper layer that behaves like a
copper zone. Even when using the zone tool, they behave like graphic
polygons.
Were you able to do this up until Orson's recent change? If so, how do yo
Polygons do work, but they are different kind of object than zones and I
think they both should be there.
I think zones suppose to flood, while polygons should be always solid.
Polygons do not currently have "do not show filled".
There are many designs which already have zones on non coppers l
Yes, this is not really a bug. The behavior of the "draw polygon" tool is
the same as the zone tool on non-copper layers used to be.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Seth Hillbrand
wrote:
> The graphical polygon tool works for non-copper layers.
>
> Andrzej, does this tool not work?
>
> -S
>
>
The graphical polygon tool works for non-copper layers.
Andrzej, does this tool not work?
-S
2018-02-23 15:28 GMT-08:00 Wayne Stambaugh :
> Orson,
>
> Is there any reason not to allow zones to be drawn on non-copper layers?
> The changes you made in this commit would seem to indicate there was
Orson,
Is there any reason not to allow zones to be drawn on non-copper layers?
The changes you made in this commit would seem to indicate there was a
reason not to allow this. I'm going to hold off on rc1 until we get
this resolved.
Thanks,
Wayne
On 02/23/2018 06:10 PM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:
Hello,
after this change:
https://git.launchpad.net/kicad/commit/?id=fea71c9f8f02c59a05de19293a8ce5a55432527b
I can no logner draw zones on non copper layers.
Was that intentional?
Andrzej
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