Re: [IPsec] WGLC for draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev1-algo-to-historic

2021-06-29 Thread Daniel Migault
I believe that the first sentence of section 3 says it all. ship it! I still have some minor comments, though these may have already been discussed. There are no normative MUST to upgrade ( and in general very little normative language). Shouldn't we have for example: Systems running IKEv1 should

Re: [IPsec] WGLC for draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev1-algo-to-historic

2021-06-29 Thread Yoav Nir
[no hats] I don’t want to start (or resume) a religious holy war about uppercase MUSTs, but they’re usually about protocol compliance. What people should (not SHOULD) do with their systems is not subject to requirements language, because the IETF does not engineer administrators. What? You are n

Re: [IPsec] WGLC for draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev1-algo-to-historic

2021-06-29 Thread Daniel Migault
I thought the purpose of the draft was to be able to say "look at this document it says you MUST switch to IKEv2 if you want to remain IPsec interoperable. I am suprised I do not see the MUST in question. I am fine whatever chair/co-authors are fine with. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:0

Re: [IPsec] WGLC for draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev1-algo-to-historic

2021-06-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Jun 29, 2021, at 14:17, Daniel Migault wrote: > >  > I thought the purpose of the draft was to be able to say "look at this > document it says you MUST switch to IKEv2 if you want to remain IPsec > interoperable. I am suprised I do not see the MUST in question. I am fine > whatever chair/c

Re: [IPsec] WGLC for draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev1-algo-to-historic

2021-06-29 Thread Dan Harkins
  Hi Daniel,   That seems to be part of the problem. The IETF isn't in the business of dictating administrative behavior through normative language. Protocols comply. People can use compliant protocols or not, and if they decide to use protocols which are non-compliant, or if they use proprie