Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call

2010-01-05 Thread gabriel montenegro
concerns. thanks, Gabriel - Original Message > From: Russ Housley > To: gabriel montenegro > Cc: "ipsec@ietf.org" > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 2:52:24 PM > Subject: Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call > > Gabriel: > > > Some of us belie

Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call

2010-01-05 Thread gabriel montenegro
--- Original Message > From: Russ Housley > To: gabriel montenegro > Cc: "ipsec@ietf.org" > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 1:11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call > > Gabriel: > > This is being discussed to resolve the concerns tha

Re: [IPsec] DISCUSS: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility

2010-01-05 Thread gabriel montenegro
Hi Russ, I'd like to comment on your assumption below that: > ...the ICV protection > imposes a requirement that the end system check the WESP information that it > does not need, and then discard the packet if the attacker altered it to the > potential detriment of the middlebox" The underly

Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call

2010-01-05 Thread gabriel montenegro
, etc. What we're seeing is: oh, ok, let's do it all over again. - Original Message > From: Paul Hoffman > To: gabriel montenegro ; "ipsec@ietf.org" > > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 11:14:36 AM > Subject: Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus cal

Re: [IPsec] Traffic visibility - consensus call

2010-01-05 Thread gabriel montenegro
Yes to both questions.   But I'd also like to question the process being followed. We've discussed these points numerous times in f2f meetings, on the mailing list, at virtual interims, etc. So I'm surprised to see the already established consensus being questioned all over again. Some of the arg

Re: [IPsec] DISCUSS: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility

2009-12-16 Thread gabriel montenegro
As I recall, folks expressed that if one were to use WESP for ESP-NULL, it would be good to be able to use it for encryption as well to be able to use a consistent packet format. This was issue 84: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/ipsecme/trac/ticket/84 Discussed at IETF 74 and 75 as well as on th

Re: [IPsec] AD review comments for draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility

2009-10-13 Thread gabriel montenegro
Just to make sure this does not fall through the cracks: we've submitted rev 09 last week to address the AD review comments per discussion on the mailing list and at the virtual interim. - Original Message > From: Yaron Sheffer > To: Tero Kivinen ; "Grewal, Ken" > Cc: "ipsec@ietf.or

Re: [IPsec] draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-07.txt comments

2009-08-26 Thread Gabriel Montenegro
Thanks Tero. Good catches. We'll address them in the upcoming revision. > -Original Message- > From: Tero Kivinen [mailto:kivi...@iki.fi] > Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 6:03 AM > To: ipsec@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibil...@tools.ietf.org; ipsecme- > cha...@tools.ietf.or

Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

2009-07-13 Thread gabriel montenegro
beginning of the Rest of Payload Data (i.e., past the IV,    if present) within the encapsulated ESP header, inoctets. Gabriel > >From: gabriel montenegro >To: Yoav Nir ; Yaron Sheffer ; >"ipsec@ietf.org" >Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:05:23 AM >Subject: Re: [IPs

Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

2009-07-13 Thread gabriel montenegro
Hi Yoav,   Good catch,  we say offset *to* what, but we don’t say *from* where.   Among the co-authors, we'd like to suggest this as a simple text change to address this:   OLD:    HdrLen, 8 bits: Offset to the beginning of the Payload Data in    octets.   NEW:    HdrLen, 8 bits: Offset from the

Re: [IPsec] Next Header field in WESP header

2009-05-13 Thread gabriel montenegro
on to drop the offending packet? - Original Message > From: Stephen Kent > To: "Bhatia, Manav (Manav)" > Cc: "ipsec@ietf.org" ; gabriel montenegro > ; Tero Kivinen > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:18:18 AM > Subject: Re: [IPsec] Next Header field

Re: [IPsec] Next Header field in WESP header

2009-05-11 Thread gabriel montenegro
Per my recollection, during the interim last week, Yaron clarified that even though he had made the suggestion to do away with the Next Header field, he did not feel strongly about it. His point is valid, though: if it is not found to be useful, then the field should not be included. Your po

Re: [IPsec] draft-kivinen-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics comments

2009-02-10 Thread gabriel montenegro
I'll just comment on one item below: > As the draft says this is mostly meant for stateful devices, and that > has been the main goal for the document. The charter says: > > "A standards-track mechanism that allows an intermediary device, such > as a firewall or intrusion detection system ..." >

Re: [IPsec] draft-kivinen-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics comments

2009-02-04 Thread gabriel montenegro
I'd like to ask the chairs to comment further about something they (Paul) said during the virtual interim about Tero's heuristics draft. From the minutes: Paul said that we will discuss on the list before we decide which direction we will go What directions do you see possible? I can see