Interesting point of view. I'd consider the majority of people on generals@
to be less "hardcore" and "pro" and more "beginner" like, since they're
usually coming there to ask questions. Hardcore PHP users needn't subscribe
to generals@ since they don&#
As a decreasingly "hardcore" php user, any and/or all items on Rasmus'
wishlist would be welcome. However, to comment on two items
The strpos/in_array argument swap is one of my greatest joys in PHP. It
keeps it lively. So I did a quick grep of the manual for "needle/haystack"
type functions,
Yeah, http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2005/Aug/1014744.html
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Uh-huh, mister know-it-all... the only problem is that 5.1 isn't out yet. So
why don't you just put a sock in it and help pushing 5.1 instead?
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ld be something that
adds _real_ complexity to the language. And it introduces a new keyword,
too.
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> What is current status of a patch? It will be included?
I really hope so (for PHP6, that is). Andi said he'd have a look at the
patch some time ago. I'd love to know what he and the others "in charge"
think about this matter.
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it will confuse newbies or because he doesn't like it just
because a voice in his head tells him so, I'll _so_ be going ballistic in a
way you can't even imagine.
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about protecting dumb beginners from making even dumber
mistakes, but also about giving those that are serious about using PHP on
the enterprise level the tools to do so, properly. The two open source
projects I'm involved with, Propel and Mojavi/Agavi, are desperately begging
for namespaces s
Hello, first I'm inquiring about this:
http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=23681
Currently (in 5.0.3 at least), if someone makes a request with invalid
session id characters, Warnings are output:
PHP Warning: session_start(): The session id contains illegal characters,
valid characters are a-z, A-Z,
xml.cpp TextXmlDocument.cpp
tinystr.cpp tinyxml.cpp tinyxmlerror.cpp tinyxmlparser.cpp
WbXmlDocument.cpp XmlAttribute.cpp XmlDocument.cpp XmlElement.cpp
XmlHandle.cpp XmlNode.cpp XmlText.cpp, $ext_shared)
fi
VERY grateful for any tips on how to proceed.
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Nevermind. The config.m4 was messed up so that the module never linked
against libstd++ which, of course, caused som missing symbols.
Best regards
David Olsson
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I have a PHP extension written in C++ which I use for parsing and
building WbXml documents. I have tested
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it is a really simple task once you known how do actually do it... :-)
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the map with new instead
of emalloc but should that make any difference (except for larger risks
for memory leaks)?
Thanks in advance!
David Olsson
Sara Golemon wrote:
I'm writing a PHP extension in C++ which need to provide a function
which will take as a parameter a zval *. This z
Lovely.
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> Hello,
>
> attached is a patch (by Markus) that a
rency is called PHP. Do they perhaps have a currency
> symbol?
>
> -Rasmus
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20b1/index.htm
An uppercase P with two horizontal bars through the top :-)
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invalid memory I understand but I don't get why it gets emptied. Any ideas?
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t of the time I'm more
> comfortable with making sure I provide a real array in all cases and
> don't rely on magic.
Good point. Smells like a -1 to me.
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You are joking, aren't you?
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> Ilia Alshanetsky
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Only a master of evil, Darth. [lightsabers clash]
SCNR ;)
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I don't have an answer to your main question, but I guess you could just as
well use http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.set-error-handler.php
couldn't you?
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Eek. Just ignore me. Please. Didn't read the message properly :)
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row a nice (strict?) notice when people use basic
class names as 'Date', 'Db', 'File' etc. This silently makes the
namespace reserved for feature core classes that might have that name.
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No, please don't. I couldn't reply to your incredibly arrogant
messages anymore. After all, someone has to tell you that your
"L'Etat, c'est moi" attitude sucks. This is an open-source project,
remember?
- David
Am 26.11.2005 um 14:42 schrieb Jani Taskinen:
Ever heard of Louis XIV.?
- David
Am 26.11.2005 um 16:39 schrieb Jani Taskinen:
Pardon, but I'm not french. And open-source does not mean
it's democracy. I for one only count the votes of people who
actually do something. If you think that's arrogant, so be it.
This is funny... I was just about to write a mail and propose ":::".
So... +1 from me ;)
- David
Am 26.11.2005 um 21:10 schrieb Jessie Hernandez:
All,
What would you say if I managed to solve this problem, but that the
solution entailed changing the namespace separator to
::: is best. :> and <: look like my favorite smilies. No way I could
ever use them in code ;)
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Am 26.11.2005 um 22:39 schrieb Jessie Hernandez:
Hi Mat,
Matt Friedman wrote:
Hi, I've been following your conversations all day and think I might
have a nice idea for th
-> is crap because it is used for accessing object methods and
properties. Come on, guys. It is not that difficult. Think before you
write.
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Am 26.11.2005 um 23:16 schrieb Matthew C. Kavanagh:
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 00:06 +0200, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
I wonder what "
The proposal is just stupid. It cannot get any more confusing and
inconsistent.
Am 26.11.2005 um 23:29 schrieb Matthew C. Kavanagh:
Don't let the identifiers collide, then.
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 23:23 +0100, David Zülke wrote:
-> is crap because it is used for accessing object met
If we rule out :::, it should be <- instead.
Foo:>bar:>Baz::getTest()->foo();
vs
Foo<-bar<-Baz::getTest()->foo();
The latter looks better to me. I'd still prefer
Foo:::bar:::Baz::getTest()->foo();
though.
- David
Am 27.11.2005 um 01:28 schrieb Eric Coleman:
Why would you have to do that. You only have to look at the
last :: / ::: sequence. It's not that hard.
- David
Am 28.11.2005 um 07:27 schrieb Andrei Zmievski:
Gah! I have to squint and count the colons in something like
System:::Socket:::Pair::open(). Yikes.
My vote is for \.
-A
:: would work? +1 then
- David
Am 28.11.2005 um 09:27 schrieb Dmitry Stogov:
Marcus,
You saw my patch that works with "::" and doesn't break any scripts.
Dmitry.
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Cool. If that won't work, I'd rather have ::: over \, please ;)
- David
Am 28.11.2005 um 22:52 schrieb Oliver Grätz:
Hi folks!
I had some PM discussions about the (presumably premature) death of
":"
as the namespace symbol.
Most people liked this, some liked ":
I don't think PHP-general would be of much help here. After all, his
question was whether this behavior is intentional or not, and if it
can be relied upon in the future. To me, it's an engine thing. And
I'm interested in what the devs can say about this, too.
- David
A
list is shared with the startup thread.
Again, in this case it _feels_ wrong, but this may also be what was intended.
I hope I've managed to make sense, and I'd appreciate any feedback on this.
Thanks,
David Oren
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the partners in the circle doesn't store the other partner directly,
but just a unique identifier usind which you can retrieve it? (that's
the way you have to do it in JavaScript if you don't want IE to crash
due to memleaks when referencing from DOM elements to JS objects a
Hi Andi,
Thanks for your reply.
I will do my best to send a short reproducing script, but I can't guarantee
that I'll be able to produce one.
David
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ase, get your pending fixes in. The goal is get 5.2.5 out early/
> mid November.
>
Thanks for all that work Ilia, and congrats to you Johannes
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would it be possible to overload final classes?
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Am 02.10.2007 um 11:32 schrieb Sebastian Bergmann:
From [1]:
Objective-C permits a class to wholly replace another class
within a
program. The replacing class is said to "pose as" the target class.
All messages s
should conserve space, though. The biggest problem with
increasing the size of the zval struct seems to be (incredibly) L1
cache misses, as verified with cachegrind. Even increasing the size of
the current zval struct by one byte has a measurable impact (my goal
was to keep Zend/bench.php fro
edge and make the compiler refuse to inline. This has the effect of making the
whole Zend engine disproportionately slower.
Anyway, please try these out and tell me how it goes!
David
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ls the garbage collection routine manually:
gc_collect_cycles(). You would call that function after
$t->doNothing(); and you would get the expected result.
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supporting old code.
That certainly sounds nasty. Why not just use "use" then, it's
reserved already anyway.
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yeah. let's just go for "use".
David
Am 23.10.2007 um 11:08 schrieb Giedrius D:
Hi,
sorry if I missed something but is there any reason to not use
keyword "use"?
IMHO allowing keywords in class, method, function, etc. names brings
more confusion then val
s" name, maybe someone has a better suggestion.
I'd be happy to supply a full patch, but I wanted to hear if anyone
has thoughts on this first.
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This is probably better:
if (options & STREAM_ONLY_GET_HEADERS ||
(php_stream_context_get_option(context, "http", "ignore_errors",
&tmpzval) == SUCCESS && Z_BVAL_PP(tmpzval))) {
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Am 02.11.2007 um 00:06 schrieb David Zülke:
Hi folks,
I'
dered successful, since they are.
> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=36947
>
> http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=111384113712112&w=2
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Hey there all, over the past few days I was thinkering over something
that I consider could be a good addition to the core or actually to
the php distribution. PhpSecInfo, the project by Ed Finkler. I was
thinking in making that an extension that we could distribute with the
distribution so the sam
alyshev, Zend Software Architect
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dated version somewhere because I agree
> that having this functionality is a good thing.
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On Nov 18, 2007 7:24 PM, Hannes Magnusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2007 12:13 AM, David Coallier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was thinking at something along the lines of objects also for instance:
> >
> > $i = new Integer(33);
ntemporary words: do
things 100% properly, but if that is not possible, take a step back
and spare the world some half arsed attempt.
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re going to use it because "it just works", but no, that
shouldn't bother us, at least they have been warned). But some
implicit guessing magic that, once again, means people are gonna
switch their brains off - please not.
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nd the answer is "no" ;) That's my point! Because one of the
drawbacks is that it won't cut down the number of dumb ignorants who
don't care about that stuff. Why would they, "teh PHP is making things
hax0r proof now" after all.
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) returns the name of "static").
So:
class A {
public static function test() {
echo get_called_class() . get_static_class();
}
}
class B extends A {
public static function test() {
parent::test();
}
}
outputs:
AAAB
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tain the context (i.e. return the original callee) even
with parent::
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t; We do have peer-review after all.
>
> Not on CLA'd code we don't.
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> - Steph
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Ok this is driving me nuts:
http://url.ie/730
or
h
el Eshom
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I'd say start with that :)
http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/README.UNICODE?revision=1.9&view=markup&pathrev=HEAD,
http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/README.UNICODE-UPGRADES?revision=1.17&view=markup&
y
> > account since 2005 when I put in the PEAR Validate_ptBR package but did not
> > make more contributions since then. I'd like to get back with contributions
> > and make my account worth.
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I could be wrong, of course, but my guess is that the ~3% speed decrease
a) is not really significant to 95% of the users (I mean _really_
significant; of course, everyone is going to whine about it first) and
b) is going to be eliminated over time
david
Am 04.12.2007 um 03:43 schrieb
mething
solid... maybe...)
>From what I have experienced since the namespaces are in, my prefixing
is still the way to go to make sure I can run all my nifty
optimization scripts around and make a few "free" optimizations.
This is a thread that will probably go deep in the sand in a
+1. Maybe PHP 6, as Sebastian suggested.
David
Am 05.12.2007 um 19:22 schrieb Jochem Maas:
+1 for putting namespaces on the backburner and taking the time to
get it 100% right ...
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
some people like a "misguided" implementation of namespaces. The
solute must for consistency IMO.
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t you get the idea.
David
Am 06.12.2007 um 18:13 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
+1. If we allow multiple namespaces per file, then braces are an
absolute must for consistency IMO.
I do not see any relation between consistency and braces.
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. Lets say I run
some code as you described, and there is a class C(), but it's not
been autoloaded yet. The internal class C is used. Then, later, the
autoloading of A::B::C() is somehow forced. Now, if the same code runs
again, a different class is used. That sounds like nonsense.
head
since just the autoload functions of currently imported namespaces
would have to be called.
I don't really think, though, that doing something like use __php__;
is a tall order, is it? It would only be necessary for those that
consume namespaces in their code via "use&quo
l when you're tired of coming up with arguments. You very
well know I meant "import". Reply to the suggestion in a respectful
manner, or give it a miss.
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just that. Think
of other languages with namespace/package concepts. If you want to use
java's date/time features, you need to do some kind of import
java.util.blah stuff, too. I don't think that PHP's internal stuff
needs to be magically available. We can force developers to explic
to consider the
case of ten autoloaders. Remember, autoloader is filesystem access.
Filesystem access on each class mention is a disaster.
A simple
if(strpos($className 'My::Namespace::') === 0)
will fix that just fine.
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function __autoload($className) {
if(strpos($className, 'Name::Space::') === 0) {
// the real deal
}
}
}
...
spl_autoload_register(array('Name::Space::Ship', '__autoload'));
No disk access. And with my suggestion to allow limiting autoloaders
to certa
', '__autoload'));
require_once('setup.php');
import Name::Space;
$d = new DateTime(); // a PHP DateTime
someStuffWeDoNotHaveControlOver();
$d = new DateTime(); // a Name::Space::DateTime now!
See what I mean?
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in PHP's ability to run scripts
> deterministically, or some kind of memory leak/crash.
>
> commit is planned for the next 24 hours or so, but of course any issues
> found in review can be fixed. The patches are short, so in the worst
> case, reverting is not difficult.
>
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> > I've been furiously working behind the scenes with Stas and Dmitry, and
> > have some enhance
ed to check if the class name (which is fully qualified, with the
entire namespace prefix in the name) starts with "Your::Namespace" to
prevent disk access.
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would only be
triggered later), and the second DateTime() call does create
Name::Space::DateTime because by then, it has been autoloaded and thus
can be found in the current namespace.
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as called, what am I gonna do? require() it of course,
what else? My point was that if you have ten autoloaders registered,
and the first nine of them cannot autoload the class, those nine disk
accesses can be prevented by checking at least the namespace.
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does.
I would also recommend avoiding "import" in your examples sine such
operator no longer exists.
Ah, yes, of course, my bad. Well, the problem still exists inside a
namespace, right?
And didn't you say "use" is a NOP just two hours ago?
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I wish you all the best,
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Am 13.12.2007 um 14:08 schrieb Jani Taskinen:
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 10:00 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote:
To to get back to the point of the noise on the li
pace with unnecessary stuff.
Inline functions are elegant and make code more readable and
maintanable, and that should be reason enough to have them.
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same for those patents you own. Those CLAs do not require
that you guarantee that your contribution is not violating any 3rd-
party patents.
David
Am 20.12.2007 um 16:08 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
On 30.11.2007, at 00:09, Steph Fox wrote:
Stas - we don't even know what they'
Sure, Marcus, I understand that. I was just explaining to Lukas what
this commonly used CLA variant mandates.
David
P.S: in strict legal terms, even in PHP, you just implicitly grant a
perpetual, royalty-free etc license to the PHP project by committing a
changeset as in many European
Then read it again. It's pretty clear.
David
Am 20.12.2007 um 17:26 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
On 20.12.2007, at 16:31, David Zülke wrote:
No. This Apache CLA most of today's CLAs used by open source
projects (Zend Framework, Cake etc) are derived from require you to
grant an
something on which Foo, Inc. holds a patent, is the originator
of the patent breach. A CLA does not change that, nor protect from
that. The patent holder can, with and without the CLA, still sue both
you and the project you made the contribution to.
David
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Am 20.12.2007 um 23:43 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
On 20.12.2007, at 20:54, David Zülke wrote:
Am 20.12.2007 um 19:25 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
So maybe enlighten me what the purpose of the CLA is.
The purpose is that a project/company/whoever has written
confirmation that the developer
additional conditions of preserving copyright notices.
David
Am 21.12.2007 um 14:29 schrieb Martin Alterisio:
No, public domain isn't recognized by copyright law as a copyright
notice.
An extra line should be added that says something like "no copyright
is
claimed", an
le this is a constructed example, it could easily occur with
conditional includes with environments that use opcode caches.
Or am I completely wrong? :p
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Am 22.12.2007 um 16:08 schrieb Christian Seiler:
Hi,
I was following this thread and came upon Jeff's posting on how
closures
c
x27;B' and $namespace = 'Space3::Space4';
>
> I think it is the most flexible solution. It allows to create very useful
> and effective mapping mechanisms.
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Cool. I hope I'll have the time to give that a shot over the holidays.
Great work, nice patch (from what I, with my rubbish knowledge, can
tell :D)
David
Am 23.12.2007 um 14:40 schrieb Christian Seiler:
Hi David!
One question about the names you generate for the function tab
drew
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t, and people who
wish to use it could.
I remember Hannes posted a simple implementation for userland on this
very same internals list, I think it was clean and simple to use.
Performance wise.. hey, if one has a dying wish of using OOP concepts,
he's probably willing to loose a bit of performance to maintainability
and strictness-ity? and having strong typed applications.
$0.02...
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On Jan 10, 2008 2:40 PM, Andi Gutmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think next time Sam has three consecutive responses to the same thread
> then he loses access to the list for a week :) (same rule for anyone
> else). Tweaking the 'Subject' won't count as a different thread :)
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> Andi
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ack on IRC. Typo
> fixes and either be fixed directly in CVS or mailed to me off list.
> Anything controversial should discussed in this thread or on IRC ..
> you know the base line rules now :)
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eb/public_html/pepr, and
> pearweb/cron/pepr.php.
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And if that entrepreneur-person needs tips about the pearweb code or
"mentoring", I'll be glad to help.
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> Greg
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Without repeating too much of what has already been said, phpBB3 runs
with its own normalizer (NF[CD]K?) and a full implementation of case
folding along with all sorts of other goodies. For us, it would be best
if semantics were off. Then we could trivially determine whether or not
we should us
How about allowing b"foo" in 5.3 (so people can start migrating their
code early) and making unicode strings default in PHP7? :D
David
Am 23.01.2008 um 22:30 schrieb Andi Gutmans:
Hi Rasmus, Chris,
I agree with you which is why I suggested to not have a switch but to
make t
Ah. Right. I remember now. Sorry for the noise ;)
David
Am 23.01.2008 um 23:14 schrieb Antony Dovgal:
On 24.01.2008 01:08, David Zülke wrote:
How about allowing b"foo" in 5.3 (so people can start migrating their
code early) and making unicode strings default in PHP7? :D
Too la
e that phar can be used widely by many many
projects and that anyone using java and jar files have the right to be
awful jealous about the phar in php.
Anyways, thanks greg you have made my life much easier with the strike
of commits and optimizations + features you have added to phar. I want
it in core
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