Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

2017-11-08 Thread Tony Marston
wrote in message news:0f4b93e2-d8fa-edbd-e1ff-502101839...@rhsoft.net... well, you always ignore anything but your opinion and the next step is calling people "except if you are a nit-picking, anal retentive OCD sufferer" because they don't follow your argumentation as it happened in sev

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Pedro Magalhães wrote: > >> I'm not sure if the people who have access to the machines follow this >> mailing list as well, so I would suggest reaching out directly to the >> people listed as having access to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Michael Kliewe
Am 08.11.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Sara Golemon: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> So please send your volunteer requests there, but not just a generic offer >> to help. Please include a concrete description of what you plan on doing. >> As in which software or configuration c

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 08.11.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Michael Kliewe: The PHP mailing list software is not configured DMARC compliant. DMARC means, either SPF or DKIM has to be valid. The PHP mailing list changes the Subject (it adds [PHP-]), that's why the DKIM signature breaks. SPF breaks, because Gmail and oth

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Michael Kliewe
Am 08.11.2017 um 13:27 schrieb li...@rhsoft.net: > > > Am 08.11.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Michael Kliewe: >> The PHP mailing list software is not configured DMARC compliant. DMARC >> means, either SPF or DKIM has to be valid. The PHP mailing list changes >> the Subject (it adds [PHP-]), that's why

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Michael Kliewe wrote: > Am 08.11.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Sara Golemon: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >>> So please send your volunteer requests there, but not just a generic offer >>> to help. Please include a concrete description of what y

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 08.11.2017 um 13:36 schrieb Michael Kliewe: Am 08.11.2017 um 13:27 schrieb li...@rhsoft.net: Am 08.11.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Michael Kliewe: The PHP mailing list software is not configured DMARC compliant. DMARC means, either SPF or DKIM has to be valid. The PHP mailing list changes the Su

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Michael Kliewe
Am 08.11.2017 um 13:40 schrieb li...@rhsoft.net: > > > Am 08.11.2017 um 13:36 schrieb Michael Kliewe: >> Am 08.11.2017 um 13:27 schrieb li...@rhsoft.net: >>> >>> Am 08.11.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Michael Kliewe: The PHP mailing list software is not configured DMARC compliant. DMARC means, ei

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
> Without any generally available information about the existing email > infrastructure, it's hard to make targeted comments about how to fix > what is obviously broken with this system which literally nobody with > the ability to fix cares about. That means a either a conversation > (which should

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Eli White
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > I am sure Sascha and his team would love to see concrete examples > (as in with full headers) of any messages rejected at the smtp level. > Next time I get one Rasmus I'll be happy to forward it on. This is definitely new news that someon

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Our smtp servers are actually quite well maintained by Sascha and company. > This is a response from the mail server, with no mailing list software involved. This is a regular response covering years. This is response which has been reported

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
So please report that directly to systems@ (that's what it is there for) and cc sascha@ specifically since he maintains php-smtp2. And php-smtp2 has been around less than a year, so if you haven't reported it since the changeover they probably never saw a report. -Rasmus On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > So please report that directly to systems@ (that's what it is there for) and > cc sascha@ specifically since he maintains php-smtp2. And php-smtp2 has been > around less than a year, so if you haven't reported it since the changeover > they p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
It isn't super-helpful to publicly shame our active volunteers. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > So please report that directly to systems@ (that's what it is there > for) and > > cc sascha@ specifically since he mai

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck

2017-11-08 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > It isn't super-helpful to publicly shame our active volunteers. > There are many not-super-helpful things here, for example: Ignoring an inability to subscribe to the mailing list for YEARS isn't super helpful. Preventing project discussion

Re: [PHP-DEV] Inserting string keys in arrays at any position

2017-11-08 Thread Thomas Hruska
On 11/3/2017 7:46 AM, Bishop Bettini wrote: On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Hruska wrote: http://nikic.github.io/2014/12/22/PHPs-new-hashtable-implementation.html Ah. Very clever and cool. That memory layout does indeed pose a problem with random order insertions of string keys. De