Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-24 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Those are very welcome news indeed. I look forward to participation of MySQL AB folks in the PDO development. On 24-Sep-07, at 7:31 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Pierre wrote: Also, is it not George S, Ilia and Wez that are listed as mainters of PDO_MYSQL? Yes,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-24 Thread Alexey Zakhlestin
On 9/24/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, it seems that MySQL AB is finally committing to fix up PDO_MySQL and > to generally accept the fact that PDO is the future. Of course mysqli > will also be actively maintained. But they will also make mysqlnd play > nicely with PDO et

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-24 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Pierre wrote: Also, is it not George S, Ilia and Wez that are listed as mainters of PDO_MYSQL? Yes, as they do all the initial work. What's the point? Mysql was not a maintainer/initiator of any of the .net db layers (or any other language). I will try to discuss th

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-18 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > On 16-Sep-07, at 1:02 PM, Steph Fox wrote: > > > Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into > > an extension or a specific build system purely on the level of > > outside interest in them. > > Steph, isn't the goal of "cor

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Pierre wrote: Also, is it not George S, Ilia and Wez that are listed as mainters of PDO_MYSQL? Yes, as they do all the initial work. What's the point? Mysql was not a maintainer/initiator of any of the .net db layers (or any other language). I will try to discuss this and get a commitment at

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread Pierre
On 9/17/07, Keryx Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pierre skrev: > > > Only ext/mysql and ext/mysqli use it. PDO is somehow "planed" but I > > have serious doubts about the motivations of mysql to ever support pdo > > like they support other generic connectors (see .net...). > > The first posts on

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread Keryx Web
Pierre skrev: Only ext/mysql and ext/mysqli use it. PDO is somehow "planed" but I have serious doubts about the motivations of mysql to ever support pdo like they support other generic connectors (see .net...). The first posts on the net from MySQL-people talked about mysqli first, PDO second

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
David Wang wrote: My personal opinion is that it is ready for 5.3 and should be put into 5.3. It is stable, end-users will not be affected unless they want to use it, extension writers should not even be affected, there is no performance degradation and it would help make PHP a much more credibl

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread David Wang
Hey all, On 9/17/07, Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So while I think making list and voting is great, I think we shouldn't > replace good old per-case consideration and discussion with arithmetics. > If we have clear winners and losers, it's fine, but in between we still > need to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-17 Thread Pierre
Hi Lester, On 9/17/07, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ( And I'd still like to know what use the code for mysqlind is for those of us > who will never enable mysql ? ) Only ext/mysql and ext/mysqli use it. PDO is somehow "planed" but I have serious doubts about the motivations of mysq

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Lester Caine
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: For the most part it seems that there is a general consensus on the features to go into PHP 5.3, my suggestion is that all features with >10 points are to be put into the 5.3 TODO and the rest can have another change for PHP 6 and/or PHP 5.4 (if that comes to pass). Eit

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Nuno Lopes
Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into an extension or a specific build system purely on the level of outside interest in them. Steph, isn't the goal of "core" to contain things that are of common use and are not for niche uses and wouldn't lack of interest impl

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Lukas has a good point about the "0" votes, however if there are niche features most people don't really care/know about that in itself means that there is not much support for said functionality. IMHO the point of There's a difference. Let't take two features which got similar voting record

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Marcus Boerger
"Lukas Kahwe Smith" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Stanislav Malyshev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP > Developers > Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary) >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Steph Fox
fail under your voting system but might pass under others. The question is whether those three are up for debate now, or later. - Steph - Original Message - From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stanisl

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Steph Fox
Hi Ilia, Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into an extension or a specific build system purely on the level of outside interest in them. Steph, isn't the goal of "core" to contain things that are of common use and are not for niche uses and wouldn't lack of in

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 16-Sep-07, at 1:02 PM, Steph Fox wrote: Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into an extension or a specific build system purely on the level of outside interest in them. Steph, isn't the goal of "core" to contain things that are of common use and are not for

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Marcus Boerger
but might > pass under others. The question is whether those three are up for debate > now, or later. > - Steph > - Original Message - > From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "St

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Steph Fox
se three are up for debate now, or later. - Steph - Original Message - From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP Developers Mailing Li

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 16-Sep-07, at 11:02 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf I have taken the data from this PDF and slightly reworked

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-16 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf I have taken the data from this PDF and slightly reworked things [1] so that its easy to see which topics got mo

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-15 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! Thanks for organizing the things! NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf What we do wih "low score" ones? I think it's good to note that -1 and +1 isn't the same as tw

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)

2007-09-15 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! Thanks for organizing the things! What we do wih "low score" ones? I think it's good to note that -1 and +1 isn't the same as two 0's... Will the TODO be on http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP53? For the most part it seems that there is a general consensus on the features to go into PHP 5.3,