Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into an
extension or a specific build system purely on the level of outside interest
in them. That's the main problem here.
The three contentious items, I'd probably (reluctantly) agree with you.
- Steph
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To: "Steph Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lukas Kahwe Smith"
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)
Hello Steph,
speakin as a looser - we should keep what we just decided on and do it.
Do it as in work on it. As in code. As in no more politics for the moment.
marcus
Sunday, September 16, 2007, 6:12:14 PM, you wrote:
Hi Ilia,
If it helps any we can count everything else in and just look at the ones
that failed:
No quorum:
======================
Switch for disabling/enabling materialized cursors in mysqli - 25/28 no
vote, 3 positive votes
Merge the GCC 4 -fvisibility patch - 20/28 no vote, 7 positive votes, 1
negative vote
Voting anomalies:
================
Introduce concept of "strict classes" that do not permit dynamic property
creation - 12/28 no vote, 12 positive, 4 negative
Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch - 13/28 no vote, 11
positive, 4 negative
Link phar extension from PECL into core - 12/28 no vote, 11 positive, 5
negative
Definitely out:
==============
Remove safe_mode, register_globals and magic_quotes - 6/28 no vote, 4
positive, 18 negative
I think it's probably fair to say that the mysqli-specific issue
shouldn't
be on this agenda in the first place, and the GCC 4 patch most likely
failed
because those that aren't directly affected by it don't understand it
enough
to vote over it.
That leaves just three features that fail under your voting system but
might
pass under others. The question is whether those three are up for debate
now, or later.
- Steph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP Developers Mailing List"
<internals@lists.php.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)
On 16-Sep-07, at 11:02 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here
http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf
I have taken the data from this PDF and slightly reworked things [1]
so
that its easy to see which topics got more attention with votes than
others. I think its critical to understand that several items were
hard
for the general community to vote on because of lack of expertise (as
noted in several votes). As such I find it questionable to apply a +10
threshold on all items.
Furthermore I ask everybody to review if his vote was interpreted as
they wanted in Ilia's PDF. Some people made their votes conditional,
which is not supported by the formats chosen for tallying up the
votes.
Lukas has a good point about the "0" votes, however if there are niche
features most people don't really care/know about that in itself means
that there is not much support for said functionality. IMHO the point
of
the vote was to identify KEY features general community (developers &
users) would like to see in 5.3, not to introduce feature creep, which
re-enumeration of the vote does to some extent, please keep that mind
when reviewing the #s. Additionally, remember that 5.3 is a "minor"
release and is not the most appropriate platform for "anything &
everything" inclusion.
Ilia Alshanetsky
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