On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Amaury Bouchard wrote:
> Sorry, but if something seems not good for PHP, any of us should share his
> thoughts.
"I don't like" or "-1" have nothing to do with thinking or discussing.
That's Anthony's point (could have been slightly more diplomatic but
so it is :
Dear internals,
>There is multiple problems with annotations:
>- It's a language in the language. A new syntax to learn. It's not in the
>code, but without it the code have fat chance to work anymore.
>
>- It's a parser in the parser. More code to maintain inside PHP engine.
>Maybe some performanc
2013/1/10 Rafael Dohms
> In my humble opinion, if your only "argument" is a -1, the don't be part of
> the discussion, but rather be a vote when (and if) the RFC goes to a vote.
>
> There are 2 moments to express yourself: the discussion, the vote.
>
> In the discussion phase I believe opinion sh
Martin Keckeis wrote:
> The usage statistic is easy explained...
> Long time there was no planned "release cycle" so nobody could plan to
> upgrade (especially hoster and linux distributions, ...)
>
> Another reason why many people stick with the old version is poor written
> software like WORDPRE
Martin Keckeis wrote:
The usage statistic is easy explained...
Long time there was no planned "release cycle" so nobody could plan to upgrade
(especially hoster and linux distributions, ...)
Please respect site etiquette and don't top post ...
Your view of things is wrong simply because it is
The usage statistic is easy explained...
Long time there was no planned "release cycle" so nobody could plan to
upgrade (especially hoster and linux distributions, ...)
Another reason why many people stick with the old version is poor written
software like WORDPRESS -.-.
I would also like to see
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Adam Harvey wrote:
>
> So my dilemma is this: how do I voice this (without simply a drive-by
> -1 vote, which isn't really helpful either, and is overly discouraging
> to the people who've put a lot of work in to polish the feature up)
> without being shouted down
guilhermebla...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd love if Stas, Derick, Rasmus or Zeev comment here on criteria about
acceptance of new features.
You all claim that PHP is simple, that features include should be widely
used and only important functions, classes that have regular and extensive
usage would be i
Hi!
> I'd love if Stas, Derick, Rasmus or Zeev comment here on criteria about
> acceptance of new features.
I can answer only for myself of course, but I don't have any single
"criteria". I look at the feature, how it can be used, how it can be
abused, how it would be seen by experienced PHP deve
> Also talking about widely used support, I wonder about how
> SplDoubleLinkedList, SplInt, SplMaxHeap and all these classes that have
> very specific usages, just like also data structure readers like
> json_decode, parse_ini_file are part of the core while others also used as
> much as these ones
I'd love if Stas, Derick, Rasmus or Zeev comment here on criteria about
acceptance of new features.
You all claim that PHP is simple, that features include should be widely
used and only important functions, classes that have regular and extensive
usage would be in.
I wonder how Annotations is dif
Great points, Adam. I disagree with this one feature being excluded but I
do agree that just because something is in the userland doesn't necessarily
mean it should be in the core-- making my point rather moot.
Cheers.
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Adam Harvey wrote:
> On 10 January 2013 10:
On 10 January 2013 10:05, Tyler Sommer wrote:
> Annotations are already a part of PHP. They are widely used in one of the
> most prolific frameworks, Symfony, and it's ORM "counterpart" Doctrine.
To explain what I meant by "PHP", since I think we're arguing
semantics there: I mean php-src specifi
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Tyler Sommer wrote:
> Annotations are already a part of PHP. They are widely used in one of the
> most prolific frameworks, Symfony, and it's ORM "counterpart" Doctrine.
> Both of which are serious drivers of the PHP community. It's
> even potentially spreading to
Annotations are already a part of PHP. They are widely used in one of the
most prolific frameworks, Symfony, and it's ORM "counterpart" Doctrine.
Both of which are serious drivers of the PHP community. It's
even potentially spreading to Zend Framework:
http://zend-framework-community.634137.n4.nabb
On 10 January 2013 03:00, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> Well, the point is that there are two ways of voicing your dislike. You can
> say "I never want this" or other rhetoric, which helps nobody else but to
> understand that you don't want it. Or you can be a little bit more civil
> and reply detailin
On 1/9/13 1:55 PM, Clint Priest wrote:
Just a thought here, but perhaps what PHP needs now is a working group
that works together to do some basic management of PHP as a language,
take into account what the users are wanting, talking about, requesting
and setting a vision and direction and make p
Just a thought here, but perhaps what PHP needs now is a working group
that works together to do some basic management of PHP as a language,
take into account what the users are wanting, talking about, requesting
and setting a vision and direction and make plans for what will and
won't and when
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> Stas,
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
>
>> I seriously hope it never comes to this in PHP
>
>
> Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that
> you're completely and utterly out of touch wi
Amaury,
Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that
>> you're completely and utterly out of touch with the reality of modern
>> development.
>>
>> Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these recurring themes of
>> "PHP is not java" and "I never want this". If you
2013/1/9 Anthony Ferrara
> Stas,
>
> Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that
> you're completely and utterly out of touch with the reality of modern
> development.
>
> Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these recurring themes of
> "PHP is not java" and "I
On 1/9/13 12:09 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
On 01/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
PHP NEEDS a vision. It needs something to guide development. Not everyone
will agree with it. And that's the point. It levels the playing field for
contributions and discussions. Rather than every developer
On 01/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
> PHP NEEDS a vision. It needs something to guide development. Not everyone
> will agree with it. And that's the point. It levels the playing field for
> contributions and discussions. Rather than every developer playing for
> themselves and saying "I
Stas,
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> I seriously hope it never comes to this in PHP
Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that
you're completely and utterly out of touch with the reality of modern
development.
Frankly, I'm getting sick and t
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