Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-26 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Am 26.10.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Florian Anderiasch: > Mailing lists in general are fine, the problem at hand really is the > php.net mail infrastructure, so I'd suggest sticking to solving that > problem. +1 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-26 Thread Florian Anderiasch
On 26.10.2017 09:23, Alexander Lisachenko wrote: > Organizing internals in this way could give a chance for community to grow, > because everyone knows how to raise an issue on GitHub and how to > contribute to the documentation/RFC. > > GitHub also provides flexible way to subscribe to repo/issue

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-26 Thread Alexander Lisachenko
Hi, internals! Just quick idea: what about moving from old-school mailing list with unclear subscription logic and ugly interface to the RFC project on GitHub? Maybe https://github.com/php/rfc or similar. There are cases when language developers actively use GitHub for maintaining RFC-s, label the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Tom Samplonius
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Aidan Woods wrote: > >> anyways, don't reject mailing-list messages > > I don't reject the messages, Google rejects the messages because of failed > DMARC requirements. See support[.]google[.]com/mail/answer/2451690 > > The error occurs when the php mailing list

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Aidan Woods
> anyways, don't reject mailing-list messages I don't reject the messages, Google rejects the messages because of failed DMARC requirements. See support[.]google[.]com/mail/answer/2451690 The error occurs when the php mailing list attempts to forward messages from a domain which has a (likey stri

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Helmut K. C. Tessarek
On 2017-10-25 15:38, Aidan Woods wrote: > I occasionally get emails from the mailing list bot warning I'll be > auto-unsubscribed because messages it is sending to me are are bouncing. > (It sends me back the bounce notification it received, so I can see that > the cause is failed DMARC signing req

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Sanford Whiteman
> > the wording "bounce" is wrong as you don't send active mails, you reject > messages FYI, while incorrect, the wording comes from ezmlm, not Aidan: Messages to you from the internals mailing list seem to > have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce > message I received.

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 25.10.2017 um 21:38 schrieb Aidan Woods: To throw something else on the heap of things that need fixing in the mail servers: I occasionally get emails from the mailing list bot warning I'll be auto-unsubscribed because messages it is sending to me are are bouncing. (It sends me back the boun

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Aidan Woods
To throw something else on the heap of things that need fixing in the mail servers: I occasionally get emails from the mailing list bot warning I'll be auto-unsubscribed because messages it is sending to me are are bouncing. (It sends me back the bounce notification it received, so I can see that t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Helmut K. C. Tessarek
On 2017-10-25 10:30, Sara Golemon wrote: > Quick show of hands: Who's had a "looks like spam" bounce from > php.net mail servers in the past... lets say the past month. Not last month, but in the past. Quite often actually. > This isn't directed at any one person because AFAICT, the maintainer >

[PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck

2017-10-25 Thread Sara Golemon
Quick show of hands: Who's had a "looks like spam" bounce from php.net mail servers in the past... lets say the past month. Or how about the fact that new users tend to have a very hard time even subscribing to this list? This isn't directed at any one person because AFAICT, the maintainer of those