Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-28 Thread Wez Furlong
IMO, it makes sense to fold EXPERIMENTAL and CREDITS files into the package.xml files that Hartmut added; they provide versioning and status information. Non-BC API changes require a bump to the API major number; a new major in alpha or beta implies that the new API is subject to change until it i

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 20:23 Uhr, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 18:33 27/08/2004, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Derick Rethans wrote: > >>Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? > > > > But not everything is in PECL :) > > any bundled extension

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 18:33 27/08/2004, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Derick Rethans wrote: > >>Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? > > > > But not everything is in PECL :) > > any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should > move t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Derick Rethans wrote: > >>Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? > > > > But not everything is in PECL :) > > any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should > move to PECL anyway IMHO +1 Ilia -- PHP Interna

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Derick Rethans wrote: Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? But not everything is in PECL :) any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should move to PECL anyway IMHO -- Hartmut Holzgraefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > >>I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the > >>simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and > >>'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to any

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody else? As long as an extension can be marked as both, then

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Jason Garber
Hello Zeev, Makes sense to me. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, August 27, 2004, 3:26:25 AM, you wrote: ZS> I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the ZS> simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into tw

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On August 27, 2004 03:26 am, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Me too. > I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the > simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and > 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody else? As long a

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Jacques Marneweck
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:11:58 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derick Rethans wrote: > > What is wrong with how we currently do it? > > We have currently nothing like it. Or if we do, I haven't notices it in > the last couple of years. And if I haven't, chances are that ou

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 9:58 Uhr, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Christian Stocker wrote: Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this "chaotic", based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works at all ;) Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process there are some v

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > Christian Stocker wrote: > > Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this > > "chaotic", based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works > > at all ;) > > Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process > t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Christian Stocker wrote: Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this "chaotic", based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works at all ;) Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process there are some very clear metrics for the result, like e.g. "compil

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the > simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and > 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody else? yes, sounds much better th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 10:10 27/08/2004, Christian Stocker wrote: On 27.8.2004 8:59 Uhr, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Derick Rethans wrote: What is wrong with how we currently do it? We have currently nothing like it. Or if we do, I haven't notices it in the last couple of years. And if I haven't, chances are that our users haven't either :-) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 8:59 Uhr, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issu

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] > on the Python development process. > > I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for > PHP. > > Having guidelines for issues like adding a new module [5]

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Sterling Hughes
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issues like adding a n

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: It smells a little too processy to me, but I wouldn't mind a system that borrowed some of the ideas. That is exactly why chose "Learning ..." and not "Adopting ..." :-) We should have a look at it and see for ourselves what could work for us. Like a single collection point

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] > on the Python development process. > > I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. > > Having guidelines for issues like adding a new module

[PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issues like adding a new module [5] or deprecating a module [6] not only makes the developmen