On Friday, September 13, 2013, Jan Ehrhardt wrote:
>
> news.php.net already does a threaded view, if you are using a decent
> usenet reader and connect over the nntp protocol. That is how I do all
> my postings and read the discussions.
>
OMG, NNTP servers are still working?
/me wields his slrn h
Andrea Faulds in php.internals (Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:55:40 +0100):
>I've just made a big commit on my machine which means news.php.net won't
>rely on Apache .htaccess rewrites, such that I can use the development
>server to debug it. Now that I've done that, I think I'll get started on
>making ne
> Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a different
> kind of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two
> obvious trolls a day? Meh. On the other hand, I could downvote a person
> that has a different opinion than I do.
>
I think that it could be usef
Agreed. But no one wants opinions that add nothing to the topic at hand or
attempt to derail the conversation. A system like this would give power to
the people who are actually trying to keep the conversation on track so
that constructive discourse can occur.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Le
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
> Paul Taulborg wrote:
>
>> Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be, observe:
>> http://news.php.net/php.internals
>>
>> 1) We already have a basic/simple web interface.
>> 2) This could be extended to have the features of forum s
On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> On 11/09/2013 16:02, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
>>
>>
>> If the forum would be a way to access the same data in a different way, it's
>> ok. But the 'votes' remind me of "protests" on Facebook that have thousands
>> of 'likes' but completely
I'm in full support of this idea. In order to have more meaningful and on
topic discussions, we have to provide ourselves with the means and tools to
do so. I think having a forum would be excellent.
Matthieu Napoli also suggested Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) from
the people at StackOverf
On 11/09/2013 15:42, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
-1 - that would split discussions and force people interested in the
subject to look at two sources. --Leszek
I actually had a solution to that:
>Perhaps the software could be implemented such that all posts and
replies on it would also be sent to
On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> On 11/09/2013 15:42, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
>> -1 - that would split discussions and force people interested in the subject
>> to look at two sources. --Leszek
> I actually had a solution to that:
>
> >Perhaps the software could be impleme
On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> As something of a response to "Wake up", perhaps some sort of "forum" system
> for discussion would beat the mailing list. We wouldn't eradicate the mailing
> list, but discussions could also take place there if people wished to.
-1 - that
"I feel we have a lof of 'silent' people reading the list."
Maybe someone who is in charge of running this mailing list can provide the
ratio:
(distinct email addresses which sent email to internals in the last X
months) / (number of email addresses subscribed to internals)
to actually see an estim
Paul Taulborg wrote:
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be, observe:
http://news.php.net/php.internals
1) We already have a basic/simple web interface.
2) This could be extended to have the features of forum software
(threading, sorting, searching, voting, filtering)
Is that rea
Andrea Faulds wrote:
On 11/09/2013 18:04, Lester Caine wrote:
Does anybody have access to the source code for news.php.net? None of
the links seem to be functional now.
I am assuming that this is not actually running ON PHP? colobus is in
perl, but the rewrites in the notes are for .php , howev
If we're getting this on the road, I propose the following:
- Structured view is a must.
- Community moderation based on some sort of karma/reputation system.
- Full sync between the mailing list and the forum interface:
- Messages here should be posted there by a bot in the name of the
aut
On 11/09/2013 19:20, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
On 09/11/2013 10:39 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
You are free to set up a forum somewhere and discuss anything you want,
but internals as a mailing list is not going anywhere, sorry.
-Rasmus
Perhaps you didn't read my replies, or I didn't make myself cl
Good evening everybody,
Levi Morrison wrote:
> I feel that we have a lot of 'silent' people reading the list. If they had
some way they can quietly voice their opinion that would greatly benefit
everyone. My thinking is that voting can allow that to happen without
creating noise. I am open to othe
On 11/09/2013 19:52, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
As the one who started this in the first place, I support the idea.
There are benifits and downsides to this, nothing is perfect of course.
Downsides are that this will fragment the discussions.
Upside is that this will move all those heated discussion
As the one who started this in the first place, I support the idea.
There are benifits and downsides to this, nothing is perfect of course.
Downsides are that this will fragment the discussions.
Upside is that this will move all those heated discussions from the list to
forum. This can be a two l
On 09/11/2013 10:39 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> As something of a response to "Wake up", perhaps some sort of "forum"
> system for discussion would beat the mailing list. We wouldn't eradicate
> the mailing list, but discussions could also take place there if people
> wished to.
You are free to set
Paul Taulborg wrote:
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Lester Caine mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>> wrote:
Paul Taulborg wrote:
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be, observe:
http://news.php.net/php.internals
1) We already have a basic/simple web interfa
On 11/09/2013 18:04, Lester Caine wrote:
Does anybody have access to the source code for news.php.net? None of
the links seem to be functional now.
I am assuming that this is not actually running ON PHP? colobus is in
perl, but the rewrites n the notes are for .php , however at that age I
would
On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
>> I think that it could be useful for the RFC process mainly. Sometimes
>> someone will dominate a discussion but if they are doing so against the
>> popular opinion on an issue it would significantly lower the impact of the
>> dominator
On 11 September 2013 17:00, Paul Taulborg wrote:
> Clearly it is broken, which is why this topic and Wake Up are the most
> active this group has seen in the last year, in only a few hours of time.
>
I'm going to generalise a lot, and there are obviously exceptions, however
most of the users who
On 11/09/2013 16:09, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a different kind
of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two obvious
trolls a day? Meh. On the other hand, I could downvote a person that has a
different opinion
On 11/09/2013 16:24, Leigh wrote:
So why don't you just use reddit or hacker news instead of trying to
create yet another community? When you get an overwhelming influx of
upvotes from the random assortment of people there, you can bring your
idea to the mailing list.
I'm not trying to create
On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 09:16 -0600, Levi Morrison wrote:
> > Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a different
> > kind of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two
> > obvious trolls a day? Meh. On the other hand, I could downvote a person
> > that has
On 11 September 2013 15:39, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> I'm thinking, in particular, of something à la Reddit.com or Hacker News,
> by which I mean has hierarchical replies with an upvote/downvote system.
>
So why don't you just use reddit or hacker news instead of trying to create
yet another commun
Andrea Faulds wrote:
As I've already said, I don't think this would entirely replace the mailing
list. But I'd like to see such a system in place as an alternative to the
mailing list for discussions. Perhaps the software could be implemented such
that all posts and replies on it would also be se
> Thoughts?
There are others besides me who also would go down this route. In any case,
voting comments up and down is a means of allowing people to participate
without necessarily posting their opinion. If I agree with something
someone else said and have nothing else to add then a simple +1 is
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> As something of a response to "Wake up", perhaps some sort of "forum"
> system for discussion would beat the mailing list. We wouldn't
> eradicate the mailing list, but discussions could also take place
> there if people wished to.
That is a terrible
On 11/09/2013 16:02, Lester Caine wrote:
That used to be what Yahoo egroups provided until someone decided that
it was 'old fashioned' and re-write the web user interface. :( They seem
to have forgotten that 'plain text' is still a valid format, and now
html messages get displayed in longhand on
On 11/09/2013 16:02, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
If the forum would be a way to access the same data in a different way, it's ok. But the
'votes' remind me of "protests" on Facebook that have thousands of 'likes' but
completely no impact. RFCs are a place for voting, and mailing lists are a place
On 11 September 2013 16:09, Leszek Krupiński wrote:
> On the other hand, I could downvote a person that has a different opinion
> than I do.
>
And the negative reaction on a forum to someone doing that would be much
more visible, and much more effective at getting them to not do something
so des
On 09/11/2013 04:46 PM, John Betley wrote:
I'm in full support of this idea. In order to have more meaningful and on
topic discussions, we have to provide ourselves with the means and tools to
do so. I think having a forum would be excellent.
my personal experience with "we have both a forum a
>
> Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a different
>> kind of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two
>> obvious trolls a day? Meh. On the other hand, I could downvote a person
>> that has a different opinion than I do.
>>
>
> I think that it coul
Le 11/09/2013 17:15, Hartmut Holzgraefe a écrit :
My greatest concern personally would be the lack of an offline option.
Not that I do matter in current affairs anymore at all, but back in the
days a lot of the work I've done on PHP code, documentation and mailing
lists and newsgroups (yes, we h
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Johannes Schlüter
wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 09:16 -0600, Levi Morrison wrote:
> > > Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a
> different
> > > kind of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two
> > > obvious trolls
On 11/09/2013 16:25, Paul Taulborg wrote:
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be, observe:
http://news.php.net/php.internals
1) We already have a basic/simple web interface.
2) This could be extended to have the features of forum software
(threading, sorting, searching, voting, fil
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be, observe:
http://news.php.net/php.internals
1) We already have a basic/simple web interface.
2) This could be extended to have the features of forum software
(threading, sorting, searching, voting, filtering)
3) All email posts would go to the e
On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Levi Morrison wrote:
>
> Yes, I know those sites, but don't you think that internals is a different
> kind of a discussion? First of all, the volume is different. We get two
> obvious trolls a day? Meh. On the other hand, I could downvote a person that
> has a d
As something of a response to "Wake up", perhaps some sort of "forum"
system for discussion would beat the mailing list. We wouldn't eradicate
the mailing list, but discussions could also take place there if people
wished to.
I'm thinking, in particular, of something à la Reddit.com or Hacker
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