Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-21 Thread Matthew Brown
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 01:42, Sergey Panteleev wrote: > Hi, Benjamin, > > I think Nikita's suggestion is suitable for these purposes: > https://github.com/php/php-rfcs. > > At the moment this is an experimental repository, but in this case, it > will be quite possible to get feedback from the com

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-21 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > How many people have voting rights? Over 200 if I'm not mistaken? How > many of those have been activly contributing to PHP for over the past > year? I think that's a better question to answer. If half of those > people's voting rights get revoked then maybe there's room to allow a > few mor

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-21 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den fre. 21. aug. 2020 kl. 09.03 skrev Brent Roose : > What about people who occasionaly contribute to docs? Are they more eligable > to vote than someone like Nicalos Grekas? It's a good thing he got voting > rights, but in my mind that should have been a no-brainer. I realise some > people mig

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-20 Thread Brent Roose
Hi Kalle, all > Anyone who is not actively involved with the PHP project, is not > someone I can feel safe with granting the right to vote. Just want to point out that there are lots of people eligable to vote who are not actively involved with PHP development at the moment. There has even been

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-20 Thread Paul Crovella
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:19 PM Benjamin Morel wrote: >> >> You're asking for useless, no-effort feedback in the form of votes >> from people who have no actual involvement in the ongoing development >> or maintenance of the project, so that's what I gave you. > > > I'm surprised by these strong f

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-20 Thread Larry Garfield
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den tor. 20. aug. 2020 kl. 01.07 skrev Stanislav Malyshev > : > > Please feel welcome to. However, I don't think this should have any > > official role in any PHP governance process, any more than any other > > poll on the internet mi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-20 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 20. aug. 2020 kl. 01.07 skrev Stanislav Malyshev : > Please feel welcome to. However, I don't think this should have any > official role in any PHP governance process, any more than any other > poll on the internet might. That said, my opinion is hearing other > opinions is rarely harmful

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Sergey Panteleev
Hi, Benjamin, I think Nikita's suggestion is suitable for these purposes:  https://github.com/php/php-rfcs. At the moment this is an experimental repository, but in this case, it will be quite possible to get feedback from the community: e.g.,  https://github.com/php/php-rfcs/pull/1. wbr, Serge

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Benjamin Morel
> > You're asking for useless, no-effort feedback in the form of votes > from people who have no actual involvement in the ongoing development > or maintenance of the project, so that's what I gave you. I'm surprised by these strong feelings. As a contributor and maintainer of several open source

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Paul Crovella
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:35 PM Benjamin Morel wrote: > > Hi Paul! > > I'm writing off list to avoid polluting the thread too much. I'm writing on list because it's weird that you call this pollution. > Could you please care to explain your negative reaction to this proposal? > > Kind regards, >

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Ben Ramsey
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 17:33, Ben Ramsey wrote: > >> On Aug 19, 2020, at 17:19, Benjamin Morel wrote: >> >>> There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing this right now. :-) >> >> Actually there is: without a link to the poll in the RFC itself, the poll >> would probably not get enough visibilit

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Ben Ramsey
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 17:19, Benjamin Morel wrote: > >> There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing this right now. :-) > > Actually there is: without a link to the poll in the RFC itself, the poll > would probably not get enough visibility to be useful. I don’t think the RFC should include a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Paul Crovella
-1 On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:28 PM Benjamin Morel wrote: > > Hi internals, > > The heated debate about attribute syntax made me think once again that it > would be valuable to get feedback in the form of votes from the community, > not just from core developers, on RFCs under discussion. > > Unde

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Benjamin Morel
Thank you for your feedback, Ben & Stanislav. *Ben:* It’s all fairly transparent, and if non-voting members want to provide > input, they have various ways to do so (e.g., posting here, giving > feedback to someone who is active here, etc.). While this is true, I'm afraid the opportunities to p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > Understandably, the RFC voting process needs to be restricted to carefully > selected people, mostly core developers. But the fact is, this process is a > bit elitist, and fails to represent the community as a whole. A recent PHP development is not a representative democracy. There's no req

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Ben Ramsey
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 16:27, Benjamin Morel wrote: > > Hi internals, > > The heated debate about attribute syntax made me think once again that it > would be valuable to get feedback in the form of votes from the community, > not just from core developers, on RFCs under discussion. > > Understa

[PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

2020-08-19 Thread Benjamin Morel
Hi internals, The heated debate about attribute syntax made me think once again that it would be valuable to get feedback in the form of votes from the community, not just from core developers, on RFCs under discussion. Understandably, the RFC voting process needs to be restricted to carefully se