Hi Kalle, all > Anyone who is not actively involved with the PHP project, is not > someone I can feel safe with granting the right to vote.
Just want to point out that there are lots of people eligable to vote who are not actively involved with PHP development at the moment. There has even been a few occasions lately where I tweet about my point of view on an RFC which has been in voting phase for over a week, and suddenly someone replies "Oh that's interesting, I'll vote for that later today". In other words: a tweet from a random userland developer reminded someone to vote. What about people who occasionaly contribute to docs? Are they more eligable to vote than someone like Nicalos Grekas? It's a good thing he got voting rights, but in my mind that should have been a no-brainer. I realise some people might get upset with this point of view, but I don't think that occasionaly contributing to PHP docs makes you a better representative than having actively shaped the PHP landscape over the past decade. How many people have voting rights? Over 200 if I'm not mistaken? How many of those have been activly contributing to PHP for over the past year? I think that's a better question to answer. If half of those people's voting rights get revoked then maybe there's room to allow a few more key community figures to participate? > I very much agree with Stas here. I agree too btw. There's no need for official community polls, I feel like the key figures of PHP's core team already do listen to the community. Kind regards Brent > On 20 Aug 2020, at 15:48, Kalle Sommer Nielsen <ka...@php.net> wrote: > > Den tor. 20. aug. 2020 kl. 01.07 skrev Stanislav Malyshev > <smalys...@gmail.com>: >> Please feel welcome to. However, I don't think this should have any >> official role in any PHP governance process, any more than any other >> poll on the internet might. That said, my opinion is hearing other >> opinions is rarely harmful and frequently useful, so why not. > > I very much agree with Stas here. I think it should be up to the > individual RFC author to put out feelers for feedback from userland, > because going to internals is the final judgement. > > > > Regarding the link to the thread in the initial email, while it is not > impossible to get voting rights. There is a very high barrier of > entry, if you are not involved with the PHP project, then being > granted voting rights is absurd and can easily flood the usual Core > Developer voting turnout, we had a similar debate about this in the > spring of 2019 in regards to the PHP FIG which was heavily disputed. > > Anyone who is not actively involved with the PHP project, is not > someone I can feel safe with granting the right to vote. Should I also > gain the right at any PHP based project to vote on whatever democratic > process they have because I am a maintainer of PHP? No I shouldn't. If > I'm involved with a project in question, then that changes the > perspective but it is still up to the project to decide on how to > proceed here. > > -- > regards, > > Kalle Sommer Nielsen > ka...@php.net > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php
