> On Jul 8, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> for the record, here is what I think:
>
> * Removal of a deprecated feature can be at any point in the future, even the
> indefinite future, just not "never".
> * Very short deprecation periods can be harmful, because they don't give
> peo
On 08/07/2021 02:33, Mike Schinkel wrote:
What I was disagreeing with is your assertion that "by definition"
deprecation must be followed with near-term removal.
I think we're talking past each other, and actually mostly agree, but
are mixing up two questions:
a) Does deprecation always mea
Replying to Rowan and commenting on Nikita's message.
> On Jul 6, 2021, at 4:24 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
>> Instead I replied because your email strongly implied (stated?) that
>> "deprecation required removal"
>
> I stand by that interpretation, which while not universal is very widely
> u
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 2:25 PM Jakob Givoni wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 10:30 AM Rowan Tommins
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> >
> > > Instead I replied because your email strongly implied (stated?) that
> "deprecation required removal"
> >
> > I stand by that interpretation, which while not
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 10:30 AM Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>
> > Instead I replied because your email strongly implied (stated?) that
> > "deprecation required removal"
>
> I stand by that interpretation, which while not universal is very widely
> used, and I think is more useful than a
Hi Mike,
Instead I replied because your email strongly implied (stated?) that "deprecation
required removal"
I stand by that interpretation, which while not universal is very widely
used, and I think is more useful than a general hint at "bad practice".
You spend most of your e-mail seemi
Replying in one long email to all three who replied to me:
> On Jul 5, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Guilliam Xavier wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Your links speak *in general*. However this is *specifically for PHP*:
> https://www.php.net/manual/en/errorfunc.constants.php#errorfunc.constants.errorlevels.e-deprec
Le lun. 5 juil. 2021 à 13:39, Mike Schinkel a écrit :
> > On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Rowan Tommins
> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
> >> Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of
> >> removing it?
> >
> >
> > What would that even mean?
>
> I
On 05/07/2021 12:39, Mike Schinkel wrote:
know that you, and others on this list, have chosen to define deprecation as
including removal, but that is actually not the accepted definition on the web,
nor is it in any way a requirement, it is just your preference.
I stand corrected, I had no
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 13:39, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Rowan Tommins
> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
> >> Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of
> >> removing it?
> >
> >
> > What would that even mean?
>
> It wo
On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 1:39 PM Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Rowan Tommins
> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
> >> Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of
> >> removing it?
> >
> >
> > What would that even mean?
>
> It
> On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Rowan Tommins wrote:
>
> On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
>> Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of
>> removing it?
>
>
> What would that even mean?
It would mean that although the functions are available and allowed, they a
On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of
removing it?
What would that even mean? Surely a deprecation, by definition, is a
notice that something is going to be removed.
There used to be an E_STRICT category, which expres
Le lun. 5 juil. 2021 à 11:43, Dmitry Stogov a
écrit :
> Return void by reference should be disabled (not deprecated)
>
I second that.
Le mer. 30 juin 2021 à 11:32, Nikita Popov a écrit :
> Hi internals,
>
> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
>
> This RFC is a collection of various deprecation suggestions from different
> people. Each deprecation is voted separ
Hey Nikita,
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:32 AM Nikita Popov wrote:
> Hi internals,
>
> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
>
> This RFC is a collection of various deprecation suggestions from different
> people. Each deprecation i
Return void by reference should be disabled (not deprecated)
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 12:32 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
> Hi internals,
>
> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
>
> This RFC is a collection of various deprecation sugges
On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 9:14 PM Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 01.07.2021 at 14:15, Pierre Joye wrote:
>
> > Hi Nikita,
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 4:32 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
> >
> >> Hi internals,
> >>
> >> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1.
> The
> >> vote
On 01.07.2021 at 14:15, Pierre Joye wrote:
> Hi Nikita,
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 4:32 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
>
>> Hi internals,
>>
>> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
>> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
>>
>> This RFC is a collection of various deprecation sug
Hi Nikita,
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 4:32 PM Nikita Popov wrote:
> Hi internals,
>
> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
>
> This RFC is a collection of various deprecation suggestions from different
> people. Each deprecation is vo
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 10:32, Nikita Popov wrote:
>
> Hi internals,
>
> I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
> vote closes on 2021-07-14.
Just to note, for the auto_detect_line_endings ini setting "These
newlines were used by “Classic” Mac OS, a system which
Hi internals,
I have opened voting on https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_1. The
vote closes on 2021-07-14.
This RFC is a collection of various deprecation suggestions from different
people. Each deprecation is voted separately, and should be considered on
its own merit.
Most deprecation
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