Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Christopher Jones
On 06/13/2011 06:41 AM, Peter Cowburn wrote: One immediate step could be to create a 'contribute' page, www.php.net/contribute. This page should explain the various areas one could contribute (docs, tests, core, pecl, etc.) and how to get in touch with the responsible developers. Maybe with a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Chris Stockton
Hello, On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:39 AM, David Coallier wrote: > Hey all, > > Let me start by saying that this is merely an idea I'm trying to put > together and before doing so, I need to see who would be interested. First let me start by saying I like the initiative to get more active internals

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Justin Carmony
I like the idea for the mentorship program. I also agree with Pierre with the things we'll want to avoid while doing it. Pierre brought up a good point about how ideally a mentorship program wouldn't be necessary, but the website, wiki, etc would have all the resources and information for peopl

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Rafael Dohms
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:16 AM, David Coallier wrote: > See response inline. > ... > See Pierre, that's where I believe we are doing things wrong. We > already have all our infrastructure to report bugs, create wiki pages, > send emails. The goal of the program is to create something more > pers

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Peter Cowburn
On 13 June 2011 13:40, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > As I have nothing against a mentor program, nor something in favor of > one, I think it should be done right from the 1st day. And to be in > right it has to be open, by all means. Restricted lists, private > discussions, etc. have no place in OS

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:16, David Coallier wrote: > See response inline. > >> >> As I have nothing against a mentor program, nor something in favor of >> one, I think it should be done right from the 1st day. And to be in >> right it has to be open, by all means. Restricted lists, private >> di

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Philip Olson
> > To get back to the "improve docs" part I'd gladly collect the artifacts, > mails, wiki entries, etc of this effort and try help create this > "contribute page" Pierre spoke of. Here are a couple of resources to help with this: - https://wiki.php.net/doc/scratchpad/wheretohelp - http://www.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Pierre Joye
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, David Coallier wrote: > Moreover, before spending time creating all the pages, I'm validating > the idea by talking to people and trying to get things going. If an > interest is shown, I'll be glad to create any wiki page you want me to > create however, until the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread David Coallier
See response inline. > > As I have nothing against a mentor program, nor something in favor of > one, I think it should be done right from the 1st day. And to be in > right it has to be open, by all means. Restricted lists, private > discussions, etc. have no place in OSS projects. If you don't ha

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Florian Anderiasch
Hey all, while I share some of Pierre's concerns I also think this is a great idea. Fresh contributors always put some extra weight on the people already on the project, that's nothing new and not exclusive to open source projects. I do think that a concerted effort like this proposed program could

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, As I have nothing against a mentor program, nor something in favor of one, I think it should be done right from the 1st day. And to be in right it has to be open, by all means. Restricted lists, private discussions, etc. have no place in OSS projects. If you don't have access to the wiki to do

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Rafael Dohms
David, I'm no good at core code, but i can help out in the test department if newcomers need to learn to write tests for their patches -- Rafael Dohms PHP Evangelist and Community Leader http://www.rafaeldohms.com.br http://www.phpsp.org.br -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing L

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread David Coallier
On 13 June 2011 09:06, Ifthikhan Nazeem wrote: > Sounds like a great idea. I have always wanted to contribute but did not > find a structured way to incrementally build my knowledge of the internals. > This might be a great way to attract new devs. > Hey everyone, thanks for the interest in parti

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-13 Thread Ifthikhan Nazeem
Sounds like a great idea. I have always wanted to contribute but did not find a structured way to incrementally build my knowledge of the internals. This might be a great way to attract new devs. -- Thanks and Best Regards, Iftikhan Nazeem *LinkedIn* : http://ae.linkedin.com/in/ifthikhan

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-12 Thread Alexey Shein
Really great idea. I'd like to be a part of it (as a newcomer of course :)) 2011/6/10 David Coallier : > Hey all, > > Let me start by saying that this is merely an idea I'm trying to put > together and before doing so, I need to see who would be interested. > > A short while ago, the Python commun

Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-12 Thread dukeofgaming
Hi David, That would be awesome. I do want to contribute but haven't got time to get to know all PHP's quirks. I have some knowledge of compiler theory and low level C/C++ (memory management, system programming). Some stuff I had in mind to try implementing: - The "object(...)" language construc

[PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program

2011-06-10 Thread David Coallier
Hey all, Let me start by saying that this is merely an idea I'm trying to put together and before doing so, I need to see who would be interested. A short while ago, the Python community created something called "The Python Core Mentorship Program" [1][2] which is essentially an attempt to lower