Re: [PHP-DEV] The real world ...

work-life and *will* improve your business. Having customers report low-level exceptions / stack-traces cannot be "good for business" and must lower confidence in the product. Cheers, -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't k

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP header files, restrict to declaring code only

rine-annotations/en/latest/index.html 2: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/annotations 3: https://externals.io/message/82813 4: https://externals.io/message/64895 5: https://externals.io/message/64722 -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Arrow functions / short closures

s thread), but in my opinion, you are the individual with the power to bring us back to a productive discussion. Thanks! -Dustin -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not get

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Password

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > >> On 17.07.2018 at 20:38, Solovov Dmitry wrote: >> >> Can I set a new password for my account? >> >> https://wiki.php.net > > Did you try ? > I don’t mean to hijack but

[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Class Friendship

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM Dustin Wheeler wrote: > > I would like to open the vote for an RFC to support Class Friendship in PHP: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/friend-classes > > The vote ends 2018-07-13 21:00 UTC. > Hello, The RFC for Class Friendship failed to meet a

Re: [PHP-DEV] On not rushing things at the last minute

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:43 PM Sara Golemon wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Dustin Wheeler wrote: > > That said, if feature freeze for a release is announced well in > > advance, published, > > > Depends on what you consider a proper announcement[1], but i

Re: [PHP-DEV] On not rushing things at the last minute

ld be well. I don't think there's any intent to slide features in under the finish line. It just seems like a lot of ideas finished baking at a weird time. That, or subconsciously, the talk of a new version of PHP sparked folks to get off their ass and put forth their ideas! :P Ju

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Class Friendship

s-poc` (friend branch was slower by that delta). My experiment is documented at https://gist.github.com/mdwheele/e4dce7adb7a4f523011c21de6b29f001. Thanks, -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Class Friendship

ave any better idea, let me know and I can move forward. Also, if there is some "standard" benchmark you'd like me to run, please let me know. Thanks! -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not get there."

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Class Friendship

1: https://externals.io/message/100743 Thanks for the heads up! -Dustin -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not get there." -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime De

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Class Friendship

pport Class Friendship in PHP: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/friend-classes The vote ends 2018-07-13 21:00 UTC. Thank, -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not get there.&

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

Hello, > On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > >> On 06/23/2018 03:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >> This is slightly earlier than I intended to bring it up but I do too think >> that the next version beyond 7.3 should be 8. > > I disagree. > > I'm mostly a user, not a PHP devel

Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation

list based on who's talking and I *DO* value both of their opinions and concerns, but this behaviour has been observed many times with several folks on-list asking for some professionalism in communication. There must be some form of consequence, I feel. Thanks. -- Dustin Wheeler | Softwar

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [DISCUSSION] Scalar Pseudo-type

> > On Dec 31, 2017, at 10:33 AM, "li...@rhsoft.net" wrote: > > > >> Am 31.12.2017 um 11:27 schrieb Tony Marston: >> "Michael Morris" wrote in message >> news:CAEUnE0e67q2HMX8bmFjy5Mx8GMfxD=dnbswf9csuyntyn8x...@mail.gmail.com... >>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Class Friendship in PHP

t includes several test cases and I would appreciate additional perspectives to catch edge-cases I may not have thought of. The implementation was quite straight-forward. Thanks! -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you&#x

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate the extract function in PHP 7.3

Hi, (accidentally replied to only OP)... > On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:35 PM, ilija.tov...@me.com wrote: > > Hi Marco > > I can see it’s usefulness in this case. > > But wouldn’t it be better to implement this by hand in these rare cases (it’s > 3 lines of code) instead of encouraging the pollution

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Match expression

In that regard, I prefer the keyword approach "strict switch (...) { ... }" rather than using an additional parameter "switch($x, true)". -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University mdwhe...@ncsu.edu "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace withcomposer/pickle

tion using `require-dev` but I completely understand where you're coming from. I just wanted to show you what's possible. I hope this helps, Lester. -Dustin -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University m: mdwhe...@ncsu.edu | w: 5-9786 "If you don't know wh

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Class Friendship

for HumanResourcesReport should dictate when it's time to change behaviour of that query. Imagine if, instead, Human Resources says, "We like what we see in the report, but we're now required by law to include middle names as part of the full printed name.". We'd write a test f

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Class Friendship

) will be considered as 'accepted' if it wins a 2/3 > of the votes." > Thanks for clearing that up. I'll leave this part of voting choices as-is. -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University m: mdwhe...@ncsu.edu | w: 5-9786 "If you don't know where you&

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Class Friendship

the best decision for this RFC. I'll remove the additional voting choice. > > Well, I hope you won't get me wrong, I'm just trying to help and that's only > suggestions. That's your RFC, your work, your decisions. Anyway, that's a > very good work a

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] Class Friendship

ace for me to send this information for review? Is another RFC a good medium for review or would a separate post to the mailing list suffice? Thanks again for your time and I look forward to upcoming discussions! -Dustin -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University m: mdwhe...@nc

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of the Error Control Operator (@ symbol)

groups working in that environment. This is the sort of configuration we would take advantage of immediately. Thanks twitter/@Beryllium9 (wherever you are!) + Sara, -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University m: mdwhe...@ncsu.edu | w: 5-9786 "If you don't know where you&#

[PHP-DEV] Wiki RFC karma request: mdwheele

with username "mdwheele". May I have appropriate karma so that I may draft this RFC? Thank you very much! -- Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer NC State University m: mdwhe...@ncsu.edu | w: 5-9786 "If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Friendship in PHP

our comments thus far and I will be sending a request for RFC karma to create an RFC in Draft. I have a lot of information attached to that already that describes the feature itself with examples, but also includes background information on the feature's lifecycle in C++ (not to say we compare o

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class Friendship in PHP

g concerns; each having its own strengths and wouldn't want to see something as useful as package-private classes be watered down to support friend-like behaviors because it would mean losing expression of the intent: specific targeted coupling of a few collaborators for better separation of c

[PHP-DEV] Class Friendship in PHP

discussion! P.S.: Congratulations on PHP7! Previous discussion / related materials: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_class - https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=34044 - https://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=144639394529142 - http://ocramius.github.io/blog/accessing-private-php-class-members-without