Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread 😉 Good Guy 😉
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Paul Crovella
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:51 PM G. P. B. wrote: > > Moreover, at the time of writing this, none of the following programming > languages have any messages in regards to the war: > - Python (https://www.python.org/) > - TypeScript (https://www.typescriptlang.org/) > - Rust (https://www.rust-lang.org

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread G. P. B.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 09:31, Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian > aggress

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
You can't just go the usual way like nothing happens. This is the same as if you know someone dying and say: well, I can't help with anything, so I will do nothing against it. Inaction in such cases offends people. Banner is the least possible, still useful way to help and people will know you are

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Lynn
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:46 PM Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk >: > > > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? > > The problem is making a political state

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 11:46:39PM +0200, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk : > > > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? > > The problem is making a politica

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 20.29 skrev Eugene Sidelnyk : > > BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) > issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? The problem is making a political statement. This is not something the PHP project does; you may think that it mea

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2022-03-03 Thread Ben Ramsey
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Interface for reflection entities who implements getAttributes method

2022-03-03 Thread Andreas Hennings
Hello list. Another potential benefit of such interfaces can be polyfills. PHP 8.x: class ReflectionClass implements Reflector, AttributesHaving {..} PHP 7.x. class UserlandReflectionClass extends ReflectionClass implements AttributesHaving {..} function f(AttributesHaving $reflector) { $attrib

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Max Semenik
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? Each of these options would require some time, and time is something not we don't have plenty of. If such a banner appears two weeks from now, how much sense would it make? Can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Interface for reflection entities who implements getAttributes method

2022-03-03 Thread Andreas Hennings
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 21:03, DANIEL VARGAS MUCCILLO wrote: > > > > > I *think* all Reflector children support attributes, so it may not need a > > separate interface. > > > ReflectionZendExtension and ReflectionExtension are currently the only ones > who implement Reflector but don't support attr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
BTW, regarding symfony and banner, it doesn't seem to have many (if any) issues in github flooded. So what's the problem? On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:27 PM Max Semenik wrote: > Each of these options would take some time, and time is what > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk > wrote: >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Max Semenik
Each of these options would take some time, and time is what On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:10 PM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene Si

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Vasilii Shpilchin
There's no such thing as 70% support of Putin. A people from ouside of Russia has no chance to understand the internal situation. As a russian living in USA I must say, any (any) mainstream media to fake the Russia's image, more or less. But russian people is under pressure for many years, internal

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
Maybe we'd create an RFC, create an poll and decide this way? On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 8:10 PM Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > > > If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean that > > you don't care. Well, everyo

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:56:39PM +0200, Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean that > you don't care. Well, everyone who writes php internals is for discussion > of php internals only doesn't care and probably won't. Not true, I do care. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
And how do they approach the issue? How effective is their approach? Currently I don't see any result of it. About won't change - I don't agree. At leas for someone it would. The more people see something the more they believe in it. This is exactly how propaganda works On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 7:59

Re: [PHP-DEV] Interface for reflection entities who implements getAttributes method

2022-03-03 Thread DANIEL VARGAS MUCCILLO
> > I have been considering a "clean up reflection's class hierarchy" RFC > myself; things like getName() are also ubiquitous, but AFAICT is not > actually in a common type definition anywhere. > I think a single RFC to clean up all the bits is probably the place to > start. If any particular part

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Chase Peeler
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM Eugene Sidelnyk wrote: > All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone who > knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here is > that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position. Moreover > they wil

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Eugene Sidelnyk
All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone who knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here is that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position. Moreover they will have Instagram and Twitter blocked soon in Russia so that they

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Arvids Godjuks
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:31, Victor Bolshov wrote: > Hello internals. > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian > aggress

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 11.54 skrev Christian Schneider : > Even if a project stays neutral on most topics does not mean there is not a > threshold where joining a wide-spread appeal or sign of solidarity is the > right thing to do. Yeah and that same argument can be applied to both the exampl

Re: [PHP-DEV] Allowing NULL for some internal functions

2022-03-03 Thread Craig Francis
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 21:42, Alexandru Pătrănescu wrote: > What bothers me a bit is why should strlen(false) be a valid method call > but strlen(null) not so much. I think this is the inconsistency that should > be fixed so the language would be easier to work with. > Hi Alexandru, I typically

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Christian Schneider
Am 03.03.2022 um 10:11 schrieb Kalle Sommer Nielsen : > Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 10.48 skrev Sergey Panteleev > : >> >> I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php >> and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, >> since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions

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2022-03-03 Thread Gabriel Caruso
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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Den tor. 3. mar. 2022 kl. 10.48 skrev Sergey Panteleev : > > I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php > and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, > since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions. The moment you do that, you put the PHP project into making a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Sergey Panteleev
I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php and maybe discussing it already on GitHub, since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions. But I'm very much afraid that this could lead to an uncontrolled flow of messages, as it was recently in the github/feedback

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

2022-03-03 Thread Victor Bolshov
Even a simple sign of solidarity against the war is important, if this is something community can agree to, without having to fall into mutual hatred. I personally would love to see a clear support for Ukraine, but if that will be causing endless debate I would give up on this in favor of a g