RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Zeev Suraski
> Neither JIT nor FFI require backwards compatibility breaks in language. I > don't > think either of those particular features would substantially break the C API > either. If these are the motivations for PHP 8 then I strongly object. Backwards compatibility breakages have never been the trigge

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 3:23 PM Nikita Popov wrote: > > Hi internals, > > Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that after > PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next. > > I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this now, as that would make PHP > 7.3 the last chance t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi Den søn. 24. jun. 2018 kl. 02.59 skrev Levi Morrison : > Neither JIT nor FFI require backwards compatibility breaks in > language. I don't think either of those particular features would > substantially break the C API either. If these are the motivations for > PHP 8 then I strongly object. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Levi Morrison
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:11 PM Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: p...@golemon.com [mailto:p...@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara > > Golemon > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM > > To: Nikita Popov > > Cc: PHP internals > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next? >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Sara Golemon
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 5:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: >> > Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that >> > after PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next. >> > >> > I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this n

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Dustin Wheeler
Hello, > On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > >> On 06/23/2018 03:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >> This is slightly earlier than I intended to bring it up but I do too think >> that the next version beyond 7.3 should be 8. > > I disagree. > > I'm mostly a user, not a PHP devel

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Michael Morris
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:39 PM Alice Wonder wrote: > On 06/23/2018 03:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: p...@golemon.com [mailto:p...@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara > >> Golemon > >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM > >> To: Nikita Popov > >> Cc: P

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Alice Wonder
On 06/23/2018 03:11 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: -Original Message- From: p...@golemon.com [mailto:p...@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara Golemon Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM To: Nikita Popov Cc: PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next? On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Zeev Suraski
> -Original Message- > From: p...@golemon.com [mailto:p...@golemon.com] On Behalf Of Sara > Golemon > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:07 AM > To: Nikita Popov > Cc: PHP internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next? > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: > > Based on s

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Sara Golemon
On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Nikita Popov wrote: > Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that after > PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next. > > I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this now, as that would make PHP > 7.3 the last chance to get in deprecatio

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8 next?

2018-06-23 Thread Nikita Popov
Hi internals, Based on some recent conversations, I'm getting the impression that after PHP 7.3, we might want to go for PHP 8 next. I'd like to discuss and possibility decide this now, as that would make PHP 7.3 the last chance to get in deprecations. Nikita

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: memcache, without a d, as in Venezuela

2018-06-23 Thread AllenJB
Someone was asking about memcache vs memached on IRC the other day and I advised them the memcache extension looked abandoned based on the PECL page. Having 2 such similar extensions is confusing - It would also be nice if someone could document the major differences between the 2 extensions so

[PHP-DEV] Re: memcache, without a d, as in Venezuela

2018-06-23 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Rowan Collins in php.internals (Fri, 22 Jun 2018 23:40:27 +0100): >However, it seems that the package without a d is actually abandoned. >The official PECL package was last released more than 5 years ago [3], >and the bug asking for PHP 7 compatibility is still open [4]. An >unofficial fork appa