Hi!
> I think we should have used temporary bans a bit more to cool down
> things. Including to myself along other.
Ban is a very dangerous thing, since it excludes people from discussion
thus preventing it from reaching a conclusion, achieving consensus and
closure, and it also hurts people and
Hi!
> This is a question I'm wondering about as well. It all seems pretty
> good, but I wonder if, for example, the lists of unwelcome behaviour and
> discrimination characteristics are sufficiently complete.
They are not supposed to be complete. Again, we're not writing a penal
code. If somebody
Hi Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
One thing which isn't clear to me is whether this:
"If you conduct yourself in a way that is explicitly forbidden by the CoC, you will
be warned and asked to stop. If you do not stop, you will be removed from our community
spaces temporarily. Repeated, wilful breac
Hi Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
I think that the case you brought up could be very easily solved in a
penalty-free CoC:
1. One of the mediation team members contacts Gary (privately) - either
proactively or as a response to a complaint, pointing out to him that a PR like
this, even as a joke, re
Hi,
Brandon Savage wrote:
This morning, Gary Hockin posted a pull request to the Doctrine project,
proposing a rename from "Doctrine" to "Shitty". The full pull request is
here: https://github.com/doctrine/doctrine2/pull/5626 He then tagged one of
the maintainers personally. It was a master stro
Hi Derick,
Derick Rethans wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Florian Anderiasch wrote:
On 22.01.2016 15:29, Pierre Joye wrote:
Freshly adopted:
http://rubyonrails.org/conduct/
https://golang.org/conduct
Ruby (the language) is discussing the adoption of a Code of Conduct
right now, and several p
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Jan 24, 2016 9:31 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> .
> >
> > > day. To state an obvious question - what precisely is the status quo
> > > in comparison to a COC? Ad-hoc bans by whoever has access to the ML?
> >
> >
Hello,
On Jan 24, 2016 9:31 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote:
>
> Hi!
.
>
> > day. To state an obvious question - what precisely is the status quo
> > in comparison to a COC? Ad-hoc bans by whoever has access to the ML?
>
> Yes, status quo is pretty much that. IIRC we needed it one, two times
> ove
Hi!
> perspective. The absolute best we can do is just that - the absolute
> best. And it's entirely responsible to ensure that it IS the absolute
> best that can be achieved.
I think this is an incorrect approach - both in making software and
other places. You don't release software when it's ab
On Jan 24, 2016 5:02 AM, "Zeev Suraski" wrote:
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM
> > To: PHP internals
> > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed
Code of
> > Condu
Hi,
On 23 January 2016 at 21:30, Matt Prelude wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do anything
> wrong or if there's a better channel by which to have this kind of
> discussion.
>
> I'd like to propose adoption of an alternative code of conduct, the Go
Hi,
On 23 January 2016 at 22:02, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM
>> To: PHP internals
>> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of
>> Conduc
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Prelude [mailto:m...@mprelu.de]
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do
> -Original Message-
> From: Brandon Savage [mailto:bran...@brandonsavage.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:44 PM
> To: PHP internals
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of
> Conduct
>
> Open to suggestions/comments on this. I'll work on pul
Hello.
It was suggested I email this to this address. I hope someone can help. I had
no problems compiling php 5.3.# and 5.5.# on Sparc solaris 10 with Sun CC 12.3,
but 5.6.# fails with the error below. GCC works but my whole application and
environment is built with Sun CC. This is where it f
Hi all,
This is my first mail to the list so please let me know if I do anything
wrong or if there's a better channel by which to have this kind of
discussion.
I'd like to propose adoption of an alternative code of conduct, the Go
Code: https://golang.org/conduct
The primary reasons for su
Hi again,
Andrea Faulds wrote:
At present a negative offset is interpreted as being the maximum string
length plus that offset, so $str[-1] is equivalent to $str[(2**64 - 1) -
1]. In practice, this means you will get an empty string and an
"Uninitialized string offset:" E_NOTICE. It's not useful
Hi François,
François Laupretre wrote:
Starting discussion about https://wiki.php.net/rfc/negative-string-offsets
Please read and comment.
I like this RFC. Being able to use negative offsets helps code
readability, but it not being universally supported is annoying. I like
that this brings
Just FYI, I'm voting against this proposal, as the number of parameters is
simply growing out of control, which involves:
- more BC breaks if default parameters change
- more security issues if the defaults are unsafe (or become unsafe, for
whatever reason)
- more cognitive load (it's arguably m
Good evening,
Just over two weeks ago I introduced this RFC. There's not been a lot of
discussion since then, and there's no unfinished business that I can
think of.
So, I think it's time to put it to a vote:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/invalid_strings_in_arithmetic
Voting starts today (2016-0
On 23/01/2016 17:43, Brandon Savage wrote:
* The Code of Conduct should specifically state that a person who is not a
direct party to the alleged incident is not permitted to make a complaint.
While I'd agree with this in general, there might be circumstances where
a "direct party" doesn't feel
Hi,
On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Brandon Savage wrote:
> I think these are fixable problems. I propose the following:
>
> * The Code of Conduct should specifically state that a person who is not a
> direct party to the alleged incident is not permitted to make a complaint.
Maybe. My main concern
Whoops, I accidentally hit reply instead of reply to all on this earlier,
thanks Brandon for pointing that out.
On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Brandon Savage
wrote:
> The Code of Conduct, as written, makes no exception for the intent of the
> person involved. This is an important problem, becaus
Hey Brandon, definitely some thoughts for consideration. I did want to
respond to one piece of this:
> This is an important problem, because intent ("mens rea"
> in Latin, for "guilty mind") is typically required to convict people of
> criminal acts in much of the world. For example, you cannot b
All,
It's encouraging to see people working hard to improve and expand on the
proposed Code of Conduct for PHP. The strenuous and passionate debates
aside, I'm pleased to see so many people working on this together.
I want to propose a scenario that I came across this morning, that might
work wel
On 01/23/2016 06:41 AM, Scott Arciszewski wrote:
> Let's start with a rhetorical question: When you are adding unit
> tests to a legacy code base, where do you start?
>
> ...
>
> Typically, you start at the extremes and work your way to the core of
> the application, refactoring as you need to go
Hi,
Starting discussion about https://wiki.php.net/rfc/negative-string-offsets
Please read and comment.
Regards
François
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