[PHP-DEV] Re: Expose zend_message_dispatcher_p

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Dmitry Stogov wrote: > [see below] > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Laruence wrote: >> >> Hey: >> >>This problem come out when I was figuring a performance issue of >> Yaf_Loader. >> >>Yaf provides a autoloader like PSR0, when doing a classes >> autol

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

On 21 November 2012 14:34, Stas Malyshev wrote: >> it doesn't suit us to. I agree: in practice, I can't imagine anyone >> caring a jot about these functions being removed, but we've said that >> when we're going to remove something, we'll deprecate for a minor >> release, then remove. Why don't we

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> The issue I have with this is just that we don't seem to be making >> much of an effort to stick to the promises we've made around BC when > > We make a lot of effort to do this. But it does not mean we should be > blindly and stupid

[PHP-DEV] Re: Expose zend_message_dispatcher_p

[see below] On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Laruence wrote: > Hey: > >This problem come out when I was figuring a performance issue of > Yaf_Loader. > >Yaf provides a autoloader like PSR0, when doing a classes > autoloading. it used to: > >1. stat the file, if file does not exists

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

Hi! > The issue I have with this is just that we don't seem to be making > much of an effort to stick to the promises we've made around BC when We make a lot of effort to do this. But it does not mean we should be blindly and stupidly following the rigid rules even when it makes zero sense in pra

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

On 11/20/2012 09:51 PM, Adam Harvey wrote: > On 21 November 2012 13:45, Stas Malyshev wrote: >>> Proposal: I propose we revert this change. Future consideration might >> >> I see no reason to revert the change and keep dragging around the GUIDs. >> Data URLs are much better and cleaner solution, a

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 21/11/12 16:08, Adam Harvey wrote: On 21 November 2012 13:03, David Muir wrote: On 21/11/12 15:47, Adam Harvey wrote: 2. If we decide not to generate E_DEPRECATED notices in PHP 5.5, what should the next course of action be: (a) Enhance the manual text to make the soft deprecation clear

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

On 21 November 2012 13:45, Stas Malyshev wrote: >> Proposal: I propose we revert this change. Future consideration might > > I see no reason to revert the change and keep dragging around the GUIDs. > Data URLs are much better and cleaner solution, and only reasons not to > do it are purely bureauc

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

Hi! > Proposal: I propose we revert this change. Future consideration might I see no reason to revert the change and keep dragging around the GUIDs. Data URLs are much better and cleaner solution, and only reasons not to do it are purely bureaucratic, for which I don't care much. We could keep t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Where did the _logo_ functions go?

Thanks everyone, I didn't remember thinking about this so was impulsively curious. Dug a little now, so here's what happened: Proposal to internals (July 14, 2012) with discussion July 14-18: -- Thread: http://markmail.org/thread/kewdoz3dowrr7rfv Summary:Seemed

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 21 November 2012 12:47, Adam Harvey wrote: > Just to be clear: I don't think that "do nothing" is a very useful > option for the second question, which is why I've omitted it — it > doesn't seem like anyone's particularly satisfied with the current > state of affairs. I still think this is use

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 21 November 2012 13:03, David Muir wrote: > On 21/11/12 15:47, Adam Harvey wrote: >> 2. If we decide not to generate E_DEPRECATED notices in PHP 5.5, what >> should the next course of action be: >>(a) Enhance the manual text to make the soft deprecation clearer, >> and generate E_DEPRECATED

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 21/11/12 15:47, Adam Harvey wrote: On 19 November 2012 20:44, Anthony Ferrara wrote: My intention at this stage is to call a vote next Monday: it feels like the discussion has mostly died down now (which isn't to say I think we're at a consensus necessarily — it just feels as though the flur

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 19 November 2012 20:44, Anthony Ferrara wrote: >> My intention at this stage is to call a vote next Monday: it feels >> like the discussion has mostly died down now (which isn't to say I >> think we're at a consensus necessarily — it just feels as though the >> flurry of opinions have been made

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

> What if some of us got together and launched a new wiki (I'm thinking > something separate from wiki.php.net) site dedicated to providing accurate, > up-to-date tutorials on how to do _ in PHP? Unlike most other sites, > we'd be in a good position to displace inaccurate sources like w3schoo

[PHP-DEV] Expose zend_message_dispatcher_p

Hey: This problem come out when I was figuring a performance issue of Yaf_Loader. Yaf provides a autoloader like PSR0, when doing a classes autoloading. it used to: 1. stat the file, if file does not exists, return 2. zend_compile_file this is okey when you run yaf without op

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, David Muir wrote: > On 20/11/12 21:22, Lester Caine wrote: > >> Ulf Wendel wrote: >> >>>1. Add this link to the RFC?: > >> https://wikis.oracle.com/**display/mysql/Converting+to+**MySQLi > >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On 20/11/12 21:22, Lester Caine wrote: Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated since then for inclusion into a RFC. At the end of the day this i

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Pierre Joye > wrote: > >> > >> Lester, > >> > >> My point is: less talk, more acts. > >> > >> You want better docs? Contribute. > >> > >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

hi, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> Lester, >> >> My point is: less talk, more acts. >> >> You want better docs? Contribute. >> >> Cheers, >> > > I think there's definitely room for improvement in making mysqli tu

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > Lester, > > My point is: less talk, more acts. > > You want better docs? Contribute. > > Cheers, > > I think there's definitely room for improvement in making mysqli tutorials more common and accessible, but I don't think that should cause us

[PHP-DEV] [PATCH][PHP-LDAP] Pending patches

Hi, I have two pending patches for the module php-ldap with no reply (for 5 months). Those patches are quite useful and it would be nice to have them merged or, at least, commented : [https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61853] remove use of libldap deprecated functions [https://bugs.php.net/bu

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Lester, My point is: less talk, more acts. You want better docs? Contribute. Cheers, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Pierre Joye wrote: >> >> https://www.google.de/search?q=php+mysqli+tutorial > > Which gives About 273,000 results and the first of them are causing more >

[PHP-DEV] Debuggers support for generators

Hi Derick, The attached patch must enable generators support in XDebug. XDebug would need override zend_execute_ex (instead of zend_execute). EG(current_execute_data) is going to be different there. You can use EG(current_execute_data)->prev_execute_data instead. I would appreciate, if you te

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Am 20.11.2012 13:25, schrieb Lester Caine: Ulf Wendel wrote: Am 20.11.2012 11:22, schrieb Lester Caine: Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

2012/11/20 Lester Caine > Pierre Joye wrote: > >> https://www.google.de/search?**q=php+mysqli+tutorial >> > Which gives About 273,000 results and the first of them are causing more > confusion with PDO alternative. > > BUT newcomers know nothing

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Ulf Wendel wrote: Am 20.11.2012 11:22, schrieb Lester Caine: Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated since then for inclusion into a RFC. At th

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Pierre Joye wrote: https://www.google.de/search?q=php+mysqli+tutorial Which gives About 273,000 results and the first of them are causing more confusion with PDO alternative. BUT newcomers know nothing about mysqli and will be looking for https://www.google.de/search?q=php+mysql+tutorial gives

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

https://www.google.de/search?q=php+mysqli+tutoriral&aq=f&oq=php+mysqli+tutoriral&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l2j64.6593&sugexp=chrome,mod=15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wiki

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Am 20.11.2012 11:22, schrieb Lester Caine: Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated since then for inclusion into a RFC. At the end of the d

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Ulf Wendel wrote: 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated since then for inclusion into a RFC. At the end of the day this is the problem all around. There nee

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Am 13.11.2012 04:08, schrieb Adam Harvey: > On 13 November 2012 08:44, Christopher Jones > wrote: >> Adam, can you: >> >> 1. Add this link to the RFC?: >> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/mysql/Converting+to+MySQLi As the author I cannot recommend materials created in 2006 and not updated

RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

I just want to place a notice. Please visit http://de1.php.net/manual/de/function.mysql-query.php The "suggested alternatives" are still not shown in all translated versions of the docs. I am sure that there are people who look in the docs but have never seen the suggestions before (like me)...

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

Am 16.11.2012 03:23, schrieb Sherif Ramadan: > People have been talking about and educating others about the > deprecation of ext/mysql for quite some time now. I'm sure that it Random dates in the lifes of ext/mysql[i]: 2003 * ext/mysqli, the "improved" version of ext/mysql gets developed *

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: ext/mysql deprecation

hi Anthony, On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Kris, > > >> By "NEXT" are you referring to 6.0 or 5.6? > > > Whatever the release after 5.5 is. Be it 5.6, or 6.0, NEXT indicates the > next temporal release... > > >> >> Also, can you add an option for raising E_DEPRECATED in