Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lester Caine
Rafael Dohms wrote: 2010/3/11 Johannes Schlüter: On the other hand merging tests to5.2 and 5.3 means that we can find new BC breaks we had overseen and either fix them or document them properly. So I won't "waste" too much time but not forget about 5.2. As much as I agree with the push for

[PHP-DEV] PHP Bug # 50755

2010-03-11 Thread Stanley Sufficool
I have attached patches for bug # 50755 on bugs.php.net. These also cleanup to PDO DBLIB code to have less of a memory footprint and to prepare for other feature additions such as multiple rowset support. I have compiled and tested on x86. Can someone review and provide feedback. PDO devs seem to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rafael Dohms
2010/3/11 Johannes Schlüter : > > On the other hand merging tests to5.2 and 5.3 means that we can find new > BC breaks we had overseen and either fix them or document them properly. > > So I won't "waste" too much time but not forget about 5.2. > > johannes > > As much as I agree with the push f

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 release schedule and other bits

2010-03-11 Thread Philip Olson
On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Hi Johannes, > > Johannes Schlüter wrote: >> for 5.3.3 it depends on security issues being reported, bug fixes going >> in, ... maybe 3 months after. > > With the current discussion about moving 6.0 to a branch and continuing the > develop

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.3 release schedule and other bits

2010-03-11 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hi Johannes, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > for 5.3.3 it depends on security issues being reported, bug fixes going > in, ... maybe 3 months after. With the current discussion about moving 6.0 to a branch and continuing the development of 5.4+ in trunk, I was wondering if there is going to be a cha

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug > free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may > not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO > is a good thing. Until the decision is made to

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 17:44 -0500, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug > free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may > not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO > is a good thing

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> I'd also like to see us start a slow deprioritization of 5.2 work. >> Instead effort should go into making 5.3 the prefered stable branch. >> One specific example is that Test Fest 2010 tests shouldn't be merged >> to 5.2. > > I agree with you on 5.3 in gener

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
Even though the 5.2 code base is fairly mature, it is far from being bug free. Unit tests are often a good way to identify corner cases that may not be handled properly even in the stable branches, so more tests IMHO is a good thing. Until the decision is made to discontinue the 5.2 branch, which s

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! I'd also like to see us start a slow deprioritization of 5.2 work. Instead effort should go into making 5.3 the prefered stable branch. One specific example is that Test Fest 2010 tests shouldn't be merged to 5.2. I agree with you on 5.3 in general but I think having more tests in 5.2 wou

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Eric Stewart wrote: > Focusing TestFest on 5.3 was not how I had envisioned TestFest 2010, I was > operating under the assumption we would be committing all applicable tests > to 5.2, 5.3 and 6.0 as was done last year. Focusing strictly on 5.3 > certainly makes my job (and others working on Tes

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Eric Stewart
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christopher Jones < christopher.jo...@oracle.com> wrote: > > > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > > not it. > > I'm +1. Jani'

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > not it. That's my oppinion as well. Trunk should be a common development branch. Once we deci

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Christopher Jones
Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where > most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just > not it. I'm +1. Jani's recent 5.3 changes should be reverted, PHP_5_4 rebranched again, and then the fixes/features merged t

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
+1. I think we need we need to make "HEAD" a common use branch where most of the developers trees are at and current HEAD iteration is just not it. On 10-03-11 12:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a > decision. The real decision is not

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/11/2010 12:20 PM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > The main focus should be that we actually start working. And not wait > for someone to do something miraculous on their own. I'm just sick and > tired of the cloak and dagger style and secret meetings and committees. > So please, do the talking openly

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 21:20, Jani Taskinen wrote: > The main focus should be that we actually start working. And not wait for > someone to do something miraculous on their own. I'm just sick and tired of > the cloak and dagger style and secret meetings and committees. So please, do > the talking o

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
11.3.2010 19:54, Johannes Schlüter wrote: On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say that, but better

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
11.3.2010 19:22, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and move development to trunk and start exploring lighter and more approachable ways to attack Unicode. We have a few alre

[PHP-DEV] large integers

2010-03-11 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! I'm all for 5.4, I have a bunch of patches against PHP_5_3 that I want to commit such a large integer support, I couldn't develop against HEAD since it's just not usable. That's interesting (changing the subject :) - how they are implemented, new zval type or user-space? -- Stanislav Mal

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> >> @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop >> is not really a convincing argument. :) > > Losing the one with the changes in it is. Doing patches will

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 18:54, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. > > not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be > stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:46 +0100, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > +1 for moving trunk to a branch and moving 5.3 to trunk. not moving 5.3 to trunk but a 5.3 copy (branched of), 5.3 should be stable stuff (fixes) only. Guess you meant to say that, but better to be clear. johannes -- PHP Internals -

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP6: status of short_open_tag and asp_tags

2010-03-11 Thread Philip Olson
On Mar 9, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Lee Powers wrote: > Is short_open_tag set to be removed or deprecated in PHP6? I don't see any > deprecated/removal alerts in the documentation, yet I've heard all sorts of > conjecture about the availability of short_open_tag along with asp_tags in 6 > and would like

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 18:22, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a > decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or > not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort > has obviously stalled. We need to f

[PHP-DEV] PHP 6

2010-03-11 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort has obviously stalled. We need to figure out how to get development back on track in a way t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Eric Stewart
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > >> @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop >> is not really a convincing argument. :) >> > > Losing the one with the changes in it is. Doing patches will on

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 17:26, Jani Taskinen wrote: > On 03/11/2010 06:21 PM, Scott MacVicar wrote: >> >> On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: >> >>> On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Etienne Kneuss
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Scott MacVicar wrote: > > On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > >> On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >>> @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop >>> is not really a convincing argument. :) >> >> Losin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/11/2010 06:21 PM, Scott MacVicar wrote: On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop is not really a convincing argument. :) Losing the one with the change

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Scott MacVicar
On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop is >> not really a convincing argument. :) > > Losing the one with the changes in it is. Doing patches will only cau

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 13:45, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > >> Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> > php6 not moving forward is the root cause there >> >>  So lets just close the PHP 5.2 branch and open the PHP 5.4 branch. >>  The focus of PHP 5.4 could be the n

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Hannes Magnusson
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 16:22, Jani Taskinen wrote: > > I'd like to have branch for PHP_5_4, I'll also volunteer for RM on it. > Perhaps it makes people wanting to get movement in HEAD to actually do > something about it. +1 We have several features still in HEAD/trunk that should be merged to a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Pierre Joye wrote: > 5.3/6.0/next is not the question here. This change has nothing to do > in a stable branch and must be reverted as soon as possible (I will do > it tonight if nothing happens until then). Oh yeah, definitely not disagreeing with that point. I was just tryi

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2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/11/2010 04:41 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: @jani: committing to a stable branch because you are getting a new laptop is not really a convincing argument. :) Losing the one with the changes in it is. Doing patches will only cause endless headaches. Please move on, nothing to see here, it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 15:21, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > 5.3/6.0/next is not the question here. This change has nothing to do > in a stable branch and must be reverted as soon as possible (I will do > it tonight if nothing happens until then). > > I also understand the need to valid this new API a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functi

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, 5.3/6.0/next is not the question here. This change has nothing to do in a stable branch and must be reverted as soon as possible (I will do it tonight if nothing happens until then). I also understand the need to valid this new API and my suggestion could be the best way to do it at this stag

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_function

2010-03-11 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > php6 not moving forward is the root cause there > > So lets just close the PHP 5.2 branch and open the PHP 5.4 branch. > The focus of PHP 5.4 could be the new output layer and traits (one can > dream, right?). No, p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_function

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/11/2010 02:38 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: php6 not moving forward is the root cause there So lets just close the PHP 5.2 branch and open the PHP 5.4 branch. The focus of PHP 5.4 could be the new output layer and traits (one can dream, right?). I'm not f

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_function

2010-03-11 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > php6 not moving forward is the root cause there So lets just close the PHP 5.2 branch and open the PHP 5.4 branch. The focus of PHP 5.4 could be the new output layer and traits (one can dream, right?). -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principa

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2010-03-11 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 11.03.2010, at 13:27, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Johannes Schlüter wrote: >> Merging such major changes in a released branch like 5.3 is no option. > > +1 +1 .. and not getting the agreement before committing it is also pretty low. but i guess you knew that. at the same time i know that i

[PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_functions.c

2010-03-11 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Johannes Schlüter wrote: > Merging such major changes in a released branch like 5.3 is no option. +1 -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://thePHP.cc/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Developme

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/ba

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
2010/3/11 Jani Taskinen : > Yadda yadda, it's a bug fix. Just call next one 5.4 like it should be. Let me translate what both reply said: Please revert, thanks. The key number is this branche name is 3 and it is a stable branch. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http:/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basi

2010-03-11 Thread Jani Taskinen
On 03/11/2010 12:50 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:24 +, Jani Taskinen wrote: jani Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:24:29 + Revision: http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revision&revision=296062 Log: MFH: Improved / fixed output buffering (Mich

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_fu

2010-03-11 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:24 +, Jani Taskinen wrote: > > jani Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:24:29 > + > > Revision: http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revision&revision=296062 > > Log: > MFH: Improved / fixed output buffering (Michael Wallner) Yes the old code had

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] svn: /php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ README.NEW-OUTPUT-API Zend/zend_highlight.c Zend/zend_indent.c ext/iconv/iconv.c ext/session/session.c ext/soap/soap.c ext/standard/basic_

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Joye
HI Jani, I don't think it is a good think to merge this change at this stage in 5.3. 5.3 is now very stable and should have only bug fixes and minor improvements. I would have like to have the new output API in 5.3, but we failed to do it before 5.3.0 release began. But it is definitively too late