RE: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Andi Gutmans
Guys, I suggest we stop this thread now. It's just taking up time we could use to more fruitfully in improving PHP. Please move any further rants off the internals mailing list and keep them personal. I do think that if there are some concrete suggestions to be heard that's fine, but try and kee

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Daniel C.
I may be mistaken (I often am,) but I don't think anyone has asked anyone else to put in more time than they are currently. All that was asked for is a change in the way the PHP team does things. As I glance over Roshan's first email, all I see are requests that sound fairly reasonable. Things l

RE: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, David Zülke wrote: Same thing goes for PHP. You've developed something tens or houndreds of thousands of developers all over the world are using. They rely on what you tell them, their businesses rely on that, they need to move on, they need reliable, stable software. Software

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Thomas Goyne
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:54:38 +0200, David Zülke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you develop software, be it open or closed sourced, and this software becomes a great success, you bear some responsibility. Microsoft with it's 95% browser market share (and I don't care if it's 80%, 10%, 99%, whatev

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Robert Amos
Actually, I can't imagine that either side was "shouting". Imagine though, if you will, that PHP is the UN. You're all delegates or whatever, sitting in a circle around the room and someone steps in to address you. They criticise existing practices, and suggest that others need to put more effort

RE: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread David Zülke
He's bloody right. And Roshan has some points. Actually, I think his idea of only moving stable extensions into the core distribution isn't that bad. I have had issues with some of the extensions Roshan mentioned, as well. There wasn't much I could do about it, but it was annoying. Rasmus, Andi, w

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Sterling Hughes
Both you and roshan are more than welcome, if not encouraged, to stop posting if you find us childish, immature and generally "uncool dude." We apologize for our inferiority, we really wish we had something better to do than respond to your mails. -Sterling Here we have a polite, if provocativ

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Daniel C.
Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and rude responses to it. Followed by a polite response from Roshan. If you walk into a room and see an argument where one side is yelling and being rude, and one person is responding calmly and politely, who would you automatically

RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote: Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn thing. Really ? Are you sure ? http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php Ok, one self-serving fix. Even if I were someone who never contributed anything to php and is just a user of it ...

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread George Schlossnagle
On Aug 25, 2004, at 10:22 PM, Naik, Roshan wrote: "Nothing prevents us from treating people with patience and courtesy. Except of course bad manners and bad attitude." Posting this quote in this thread is beyond ironic. George -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe,

RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Naik, Roshan
> -Original Message- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:42 PM > To: Naik, Roshan > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental > extensions... all over again > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik

[PHP-DEV] open_basedir "/" not working after upgrade

2004-08-25 Thread Federico Petronio
Hello all... I just upgrade PHP from version 4.3.4 to version 4.3.8. After the upgrade, almost everything worked fine but the open_basedir directive. The server I administer provides hosting for several domains, all of those with its own homedir restricted using open_basedir in a scope. Some espe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On August 25, 2004 08:32 pm, Naik, Roshan wrote: > " And exactly how long is it expected to continue to stay EXPERIMENTAL > ?" > > The response was a predictable one, expressing indifference... > > "Between 15 days and 15 months" I'm afraid Derick's response was somewhat incorrect. Here is a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Andi Gutmans
Thanks for this quite useless and unproductive email. I suggest to inform yourself slightly better on the tons of improvements the PHP development team have made and where we are today vs. 4 years ago. I suggest next time, if you want to be productive, you can contact us with a concrete problem a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote: > Hopefully belts will be tightened up around the extensions and the > responsibility taken up by their authors. Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn thing. People volunteer their time and effort to this project. There are

[PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

2004-08-25 Thread Naik, Roshan
Every once in a while somebody has to speak out about the state of the union and bear the brunt of some anger... with a hope that things will change for the better. 2 years back I started out asking a question being concerned by the frustration caused to many users (and vendors alike). Frustrat

[PHP-DEV] [PATCH] Bug #28371 (Different behaviour of fopen depending on r+,w+,a+)

2004-08-25 Thread Marcin Gibuła
Hi, here's a patch proposal for bug #28371. ftruncate() doesn't update file position and all further writes go to the old location. (or is it an undocumented feature?) -- mg --- php-5.0.1/main/streams/plain_wrapper.c 2004-07-31 13:00:10.0 +0200 +++ php-5.0.1-patch/main/streams/plain_wra

Re: [PHP-DEV] making sense of all the xml extensions in php 5

2004-08-25 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 02:31 PM 8/25/2004 -0700, Naik, Roshan wrote: I am trying to make sense of the following 4 xml extensions distributed with php 5 ext/libxml<- ?? Infrastructure for streams and XML extensions. ext/simplexml {experimental) SimpleXML (search the web) ext/xml SAX ext/dom {experimen

[PHP-DEV] making sense of all the xml extensions in php 5

2004-08-25 Thread Naik, Roshan
I am trying to make sense of the following 4 xml extensions distributed with php 5 ext/libxml<- ?? ext/simplexml {experimental) ext/xml ext/dom {experimental) Dom extension's name is self describing. but about the others ? As I understand, simplexml is a simpler-to-us

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4 Bug Summary Report

2004-08-25 Thread Marcin Gibuła
On Monday 23 of August 2004 09:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >[Output Control] > 28673 Open readfile() crashes on huge local That one has some proposed solution attached too... -- mg -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.p