Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Luigi Iannone
Hello, I find the MTU discussion interesting. It pops up from time to time in different mailing list, a clear sign that we lack a solution and the discussion here show that there are different ideas of how the solution should look like. Having said that, this is not caused by addressing itself,

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
Thanks for the reply, Tom. I agree with you in the sense of updating the list, momentarily: - make Internet to offer security for privacy for users. - make Internet to be easy to use and offer a very high quality of experience in terms of performance, reliability and availability. - make sur

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Alexandre Petrescu
with respect to the combined 'privacy and security' of Internet, I would like to point to a problem I see growing recently in the Internet: more and more I click on URLs that refuse to show me the content. The 'privacy and security' reasons of these refusals are the following: In some countries,

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
That is why if you want robustness of connectivity with shortest paths, you need a static MTU of 1400 and an IPv4 underlay. Dino > On Dec 6, 2021, at 4:28 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Hello, > > I find the MTU discussion interesting. It pops up from time to time in > different mailing list

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
Last email was the main point I wants to get across. Now to answer your questions inline. > On Dec 6, 2021, at 4:28 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > Having said that, this is not caused by addressing itself, right? Right, IMHO. > Certainly large addresses eat a lot of that MTU space. Well

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Tom Herbert
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:52 PM Dino Farinacci wrote: > > Last email was the main point I wants to get across. Now to answer your > questions inline. > > > On Dec 6, 2021, at 4:28 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > > > Having said that, this is not caused by addressing itself, right? > > Right, IMHO. >

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 07-Dec-21 12:06, Tom Herbert wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:52 PM Dino Farinacci wrote: Last email was the main point I wants to get across. Now to answer your questions inline. On Dec 6, 2021, at 4:28 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: Having said that, this is not caused by addressing itself,

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread Dino Farinacci
> Dino, Hey Tom. I should make it clear that I am replying to email in the context of "user requirements", that means end user requirements. Hence my comment about 1400. > Definitely at least for a limited domain. For instance, AFAIK Google > is using 9K MTUs in their internal networks. Whether

Re: [Int-area] Expanding Assignable IPv4 Public Address Re: 202112030945.AYC

2021-12-06 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Brian: 0)    For some reason, your comment did not reach me, nor the Int-Area distribution list. Courtesy of Greg (on Cc:) who spotted your MSG in the Mail Archive and regenerated it into the following eMail format for me. Since I just joined the Int-Area forum and this is my first post, I

Re: [Int-area] Side meeting follow-up: What exact features do we want from the Internet?

2021-12-06 Thread to...@strayalpha.com
> > On Dec 3, 2021, at 8:38 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: > > >> My point, which appears not to be tracking, is I *wish* protocol layers >> didn’t have such strict MTUs, but rather expanded as headers were added *at >> all layers*, in the same *spirit* as Ethernet does. > > The Internet can do t