Re: Google vs MS (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-07-02 Thread Venkatraman S
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Suraj Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Extracting and storing an RSS feed into a database is a very similar > question too. It has quite a few elements that can be optimised and > they were just testing your design, data structure and approach, IMO. > Imagine, y

Re: Google vs MS (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-07-02 Thread Sujith
Suraj Kumar wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Venkatraman S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll try to not look like I'm speaking as a Yahoo! employee here :) > Instead, I shall merely try to explain why the notion of 'monopoly' is > a common running thread across all stock-market driven c

Re: Google vs MS (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-07-02 Thread Suraj Kumar
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Venkatraman S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do not consider Y! here - am always confused whether they are a media > company or a tech company! btw...i happen to know of an instance wherein in > one of the Y! interviews(for their search team) - the interviewer ended

Re: Google vs MS (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-07-01 Thread Venkatraman S
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me re-iterate that it is not my intention to say that Google is > "evil" --- howver, as companies become monopolies they tend to take > the "either you are with us or you are against us" attitude. This > is road

Google vs MS (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-07-01 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Akarsh Simha wrote: > What the post intended to say was that monopolies should be > discouraged, because they can result in the companies withdrawing > your freedom, as it has happened with Microsoft. Here is an article which shows that Google is set to overtake Micros

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-26 Thread pavithran
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Suraj Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course, there is the risk of google hosted account going paid. > Don't see it happening yet. They need my user-behaviour data to > improve their ad system, no? ;) > yes as many of them tell , ads is their primary sour

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-25 Thread Suraj Kumar
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Mano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I dont see > > why people bow to the big G > > > > What if the low cost host is snooping on my mails! Or he/she

Re: [OT] Volunteering (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-18 Thread Arun Khan
On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, senthilraja P wrote: > /** My observation/comments are specific to smaller and local > activities. Case in point, the FOSS related conferences I have > attended. Only handful of volunteers come forward to organize, > execute, and manage the events. Invariably, I have see

Re: [OT] Volunteering (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-18 Thread senthilraja P
/** My observation/comments are specific to smaller and local activities. Case in point, the FOSS related conferences I have attended. Only handful of volunteers come forward to organize, execute, and manage the events. Invariably, I have seen the same few faces (of the dedicated individuals) wor

[OT] Volunteering (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-16 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > > Which is why having a community supported service sounds > > > increasingly like a good idea. Let's see if there is some "prior > > > art" whi

Re: [OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Mehul Ved
On Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:54:42PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: > MTNL/Delhi (like BSNL across the country) offers 256/256 Kbps unlimited > but at a higher tariff compared to BSNL. I asked the Mumbai babus > about the differences in Delhi/Mumbai unlimited plans and was told that > an unlimited plan,

Re: [OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > OK, I have marked it OT, in a new composition with appropriate sub. > line. Thanks. > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kumar Appaiah wrote: >> Which leads me to wonder aloud on an off-topic rant; why on EARTH >> does MTNL Mumbai have the most ice-age ra

[OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
OK, I have marked it OT, in a new composition with appropriate sub. line. On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > > Good luck explaining all this to MTNL (believe me I have tried upto > > GM Broadband). Now, I am thankful for little thi

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > Good luck explaining all this to MTNL (believe me I have tried upto GM > Broadband). Now, I am thankful for little things like my DSL > connection initializes and gives me 'Net connection. Cannot comment on > other ISPs. Which leads me to wonde

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > Which is why having a community supported service sounds increasingly > > like a good idea. Let's see if there is some "prior art" which can > > help. > > This works when there are a number of

GNU/Hurd (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > I test/use it with qemu: > http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/hurd-k16-x86.html Nice set of instructions :) It may be great for teaching operating system design just like Minix. > | I haven't kept up with the development. > > \-- > > Browse t

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I > > > dont see why people bow to the big G > > > > assuming one had c

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Mehul Ved
On Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:47:25PM +0530, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: > I am kinda confused by the recent posts in this list. One post actually > proclaimed that Google could turn Gmail commercial and force you to pay for > it. Would it serve them financially to take such a step? IMO, they gain much m

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, --- On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Unfortunately, I have since then migrated to using only a laptop, \-- I test/use it with qemu: http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/hurd-k16-x86.html --- | I haven't kept up with the development. \-- Brows

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hurd and vista are in competition as the two most useless operating > systems I haven't used Vista but I have used the Hurd---about 5 years ago when I decided that my desktop machine could manage fine with Hurd. Unfortunately, I have since

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a hetzner server costs 40 euro a month - if I can get another 5 guys from > ilugc to contribute, I can set up a mail/web server that we can all use - > free of the big G and secure (if the best talent in ilugc cannot s

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I > > dont see why people bow to the big G > > assuming one had competency in this domain and the time, Which is why having a commu

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 10:53 AM, Arun Khan wrote: You are free to choose MS Windows, the *BSD variants, Mac OS X, OpenSolaris - but Hurd? Is FSF using it on their production machines? hurd and vista are in competition as the two most useless operating systems -- regards kg http://lawgon.livej

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 10:44 AM, Arun Khan wrote: On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 11-Jun-08, at 11:57 PM, Arnold Noronha wrote: Personally I prefer to discourage monopolies. (And so I adamantly stuck to my jabber account when everybody started using gmail. I found out the hard

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: > I would not say I discourage monopoly. I discourage companies that > enforce monopoly. If every monopoly must be shot in the head, then so > must Linux. We should start using Hurd or some other "not used by > every other FLOSS user" OS Thanks. I

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On 11-Jun-08, at 11:57 PM, Arnold Noronha wrote: > > Personally I prefer to discourage monopolies. (And so I adamantly > > stuck to my jabber account when everybody started using gmail. I > > found out the hard way that people were trying to send

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Raman.P
hi I remember few years back (may be around 2000/2001) usa.net(or something similar to such name) was most widely used mail - it was free and very popular. Suddenly they decided to charge people landing their users into trouble. Most shifted to yahoo then - needless to say - many would have los

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 9:35 AM, Mano wrote: I am talking about running one's own dedicated server - not taking a mailbox from some cpanel vendor Honestly, I dont think I'm competent enough to keep away the Russian/east european/pakistani/etc crime syndicates - cpanel vendors or dedicated servers

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Mano
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am talking about running one's own dedicated server - not taking a mailbox > from some cpanel vendor > Honestly, I dont think I'm competent enough to keep away the Russian/east european/pakistani/etc crime syndic

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 9:04 AM, Mano wrote: given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I dont see why people bow to the big G What if the low cost host is snooping on my mails! Or he/she does not have the resources (financial, technical etc) to keep the Russian mafia from sn

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Mano
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I dont see > why people bow to the big G > What if the low cost host is snooping on my mails! Or he/she does not have the resources (financial, techni

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jun-08, at 11:57 PM, Arnold Noronha wrote: Personally I prefer to discourage monopolies. (And so I adamantly stuck to my jabber account when everybody started using gmail. I found out the hard way that people were trying to send me emails to my jabber account. So well, I shifted to Gmail.

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jun-08, at 11:12 PM, Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani wrote: But monopoly comes only when that product is very good and no other product matches it. if this wasnt a top post, I would be strongly tempted to reply to it -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshel

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 11-Jun-08, at 10:47 PM, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: Actually, Google's search engine has remained free. Google office is free, Blogspot is free, free as in beer -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Ashok Gautham J.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Akarsh Simha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's no rumour that GMail is going to turn into a paid service. I > only foresee such a possibility, but with miniscule probability. The > suspiscion lies in the fact that they call it "GMail Beta". Beta > versions are

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Arnold Noronha
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > you are not getting me. Even i agree that monopoly is bad. > Microsoft had monopoly over OS market. Then linux and Vista ( :) ) came > around. > My point is people will use whatever they like.

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani
Hey, you are not getting me. Even i agree that monopoly is bad. Microsoft had monopoly over OS market. Then linux and Vista ( :) ) came around. My point is people will use whatever they like. You cannot change their views by saying, "Monopoly is bad". On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Arnold Nor

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Arnold Noronha
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > You are right, monopolies should be discouraged. > But monopoly comes only when that product is very good and no other product > matches it. > Why would anyone want to shift to something else w

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani
Hi, You are right, monopolies should be discouraged. But monopoly comes only when that product is very good and no other product matches it. Why would anyone want to shift to something else when the current product is the best. (Law of inertia.) On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Akarsh Simha <[EMA

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Akarsh Simha
> Google gets more than what it asks for, from ads alone. > It doesnt need to make us pay for gmail. But they do have the right to do it, if they want. Regards Akarsh signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Akarsh Simha
What the post intended to say was that monopolies should be discouraged, because they can result in the companies withdrawing your freedom, as it has happened with Microsoft. There's no rumour that GMail is going to turn into a paid service. I only foresee such a possibility, but with miniscule pr

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-11 Thread Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani
Hi, What you read is obviously a joke, a bad one. Google gets more than what it asks for, from ads alone. It doesnt need to make us pay for gmail. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Ashok Gautham J. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am kinda confused by the recent posts in this list. One post actu