Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Manokaran K
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > PS - list admin, can we update the mailing list guidelines to ban > complaining about the mailing list guidelines, so that we can prevent > people from posting mails like this? > > In the pursuit of freedom all dissenters will be banished

[Ilugc] [OT] Pseudo developer to SysAdmin migration tips

2011-04-27 Thread kish
Hi, I've done a bit of dev work in data processing, web apps and integration. Work dealt mostly writing in different languages and learning protocols and breaking things to integrate. I'm fairly knowledgeable in Linux systems. Have been offered a SysAdmin trainee offer. Any migration pointers?

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Natarajan V [2011-04-27 20:30:04 +0530]: > When the same person (as described above), forgets to follow the > rules, we just jump on him/her and scare him/her from asking > questions. Or otherwise, we just irritate them. This IMHO, is not a > good idea. The best option would be to leave that "

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Manokaran K
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:52, Akilan R wrote: > > +1. While suggestions for new rules and discussions on list rules are > > welcome; asking people not to enforce existing rules are not. > > > If we all pull together as a team, the informa

Re: [Ilugc] Grub problem

2011-04-27 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM, balaji sivanath wrote: > screen only came). Then due to some urgent need of system, installed > ubuntu10.04 & now got grub loader with all os list. > Does that mean you are able to boot into all installed operating systems or do you mean that you just

[Ilugc] Grub problem

2011-04-27 Thread balaji sivanath
Hi, I had ubuntu 10.10,windows7,xp in my system. Due to some problem reinstalled windows7, then i tried using live cd to recover ubuntu but failed and it lead to damage of all loaders(when i boot system blank screen only came). Then due to some urgent need of system, installed ubuntu10.04 & now got

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:52, Akilan R wrote: > +1. While suggestions for new rules and discussions on list rules are > welcome; asking people not to enforce existing rules are not. > If we all pull together as a team, the information purification directives will help us create a garden of pure i

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 19:16 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > >> precisely - and thereby hangs a tail > > > > s/tale/tail/ > > Should be s/tail/tale if you intend to replace tail with > tale :) Thanks ouch - thought I go

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 18:41 +0530, Guruprasad wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:25 +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > > > I think RMS has opened an institute to cure people > > Please

Re: [Ilugc] Configure RAID 1 in CentOS 5.5

2011-04-27 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:05 PM, R.Kanagaraj (RK) wrote: > Dear all, > > I am planning to install CentOS 5.5 in a machine that has 2X500GB SATA Hard > disks. I need to configure RAID 1 (software RAID) the machine is a normal > corei3 desktop machine which has no RAID controller. I am planning to >

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Arun Prakash
Hello, > When the same person (as described above), forgets to follow the > rules, we just jump on him/her and scare him/her from asking > questions. Or otherwise, we just irritate them. This IMHO, is not a > good idea. The best option would be to leave that "policing" (for > want of a better word

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Arun Prakash
Hello, >> One option would be to send personal mails to the person explaining in >> detail. But when someone is using "priority inbox" which has its own >> super-secret algorithm, how can one be sure that the email will be >> read? That is why we remind people in the same thread so that there is >>

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Natarajan V wrote: > good idea.  The best option would be to leave that "policing" (for > want of a better word), to the person who is genuinely trying to > answer the question. Agreed that it is the best option. But if someone's post goes unanswered/unreplie

[Ilugc] Configure RAID 1 in CentOS 5.5

2011-04-27 Thread R.Kanagaraj (RK)
Dear all, I am planning to install CentOS 5.5 in a machine that has 2X500GB SATA Hard disks. I need to configure RAID 1 (software RAID) the machine is a normal corei3 desktop machine which has no RAID controller. I am planning to install this server for productive purpose. So please guide me how t

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Natarajan V
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Guruprasad wrote: > person to use the correct posting style, I guess it would be read, as > it is a reply to *their* post. We try to remind people about the > mailing list guidelines so that they can learn from their mistakes, > instead of the ideal 'learn from oth

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> precisely - and thereby hangs a tail > > s/tale/tail/ Should be s/tail/tale if you intend to replace tail with tale :) Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. Mail:

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Arun Prakash wrote: > You are right. I feel that people who uses the mail less frequent do not > read all the mails . So they make mistakes. Since most people are using > gmail, priority inbox do not give importance for replies , when the main > content is unr

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:25 +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > I think RMS has opened an institute to cure people Please follow the mailing list and avoid trolling/posting inflammatory

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:25 +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > In fact I am working on a thesis to show that one > > cannot use gmail for a prolonged period of time without significant > > brain damage. > > Thanks for informing me. I will get

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Arun Prakash
Hello, > When people repeat their mistakes again and again despite the > constant, irritating reminders it means that they aren't bothered > about the reminder to actually try to learn/understand what is being > said and why it is said. You are right > People are putting additional effort to > educ

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Mehul Ved
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > In fact I am working on a thesis to show that one > cannot use gmail for a prolonged period of time without significant > brain damage. Thanks for informing me. I will get a brain damage check done ASAP. Any recommendations where to get

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 12:27 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 04/27/2011 12:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > what I have noticed is that most people look at the reminder, see > that > > it has nothing to do with the question they have asked and ignore > it. > > I'm guessing this would mostly be

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/27/2011 12:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > what I have noticed is that most people look at the reminder, see that > it has nothing to do with the question they have asked and ignore it. I'm guessing this would mostly be applicable to people who are drive-by posting and not people who inte

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 16:16 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 16:02 +0530, openbala wrote: > > Finally, if this is not obvious. It is not about learning a new > > programming language. This is about learning how to program. > > precisely - and thereby hangs a tail s/tale/t

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 12:05 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 04/27/2011 11:43 AM, Arun Prakash wrote: > > Reminding the rules is a good thing to do . While people do repeated > > mistakes , better send reminder offlist with cc to list admin. While > > repeated mistakes are done , ban them. > > > >

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 16:02 +0530, openbala wrote: > Finally, if this is not obvious. It is not about learning a new > programming language. This is about learning how to program. precisely - and thereby hangs a tail -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.t

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Manokaran K wrote: > I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users > policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is > the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc > fallacy? From

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/27/2011 12:04 PM, Guruprasad wrote: > OP's email, I would say that 'policing' is an extremely harsh and > unfair word to use for people trying to remind/enlighten the ignorant > about the guidelines; 'reminder' could have been a better and a > neutral word. A lot depends on how its said and

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/27/2011 11:43 AM, Arun Prakash wrote: > Reminding the rules is a good thing to do . While people do repeated > mistakes , better send reminder offlist with cc to list admin. While > repeated mistakes are done , ban them. > > Discussing this in list , ruins the time. > fwiw, I am quite pedant

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Arun Prakash wrote: > Hello, > Reminding the rules is a good thing to do . While people do repeated > mistakes , better send reminder offlist with cc to list admin. While > repeated mistakes are done , ban them. When people repeat their mistakes again and aga

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Arun Prakash
Hello, > As per your statement there are lot of 'policing' mails these days. Why then > are people still flouting list rules? If they are not reading and following > the guidelines even after repeated mails then being told to do so is a small > price they have to pay. In fact they should be happy t

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread openbala
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 14:32 +0530, openbala wrote: >> Here's the link for those who are new to SICP: > > this is old stuff - MIT shifted to python in 2007 - all the course > materials are available online. > -- That is correct. I've give

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Akilan R
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > PS - list admin, can we update the mailing list guidelines to ban > complaining about the mailing list guidelines, so that we can prevent > people from posting mails like this? > +1. While suggestions for new rules and discussions on list

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread JAGANADH G
> PS - list admin, can we update the mailing list guidelines to ban > complaining about the mailing list guidelines, so that we can prevent > people from posting mails like this? > > Hoo . Extreme double negative -- ** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Akilan R
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Manokaran K wrote: > I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users > policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is > the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc > fallacy? > As per

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 14:59, Manokaran K wrote: > I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users > policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is > the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc > fallacy? > Better not

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 15:17 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Manokaran K > wrote: > > I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of > users > > policing the list is more than the number actually discussing > anything! Is > > the theory that

Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Manokaran K wrote: > I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users > policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is > the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc > fallacy? >

[Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Manokaran K
I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc fallacy? regds, mano -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers

Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 14:32 +0530, openbala wrote: > Here's the link for those who are new to SICP: this is old stuff - MIT shifted to python in 2007 - all the course materials are available online. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ _

[Ilugc] [X-POST] [fpug-c] SICP Lectures

2011-04-27 Thread openbala
-- Forwarded message -- From: Functional Programming Users Group - Chennai Date: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:27 PM Subject: [fpug-c] SICP Lectures To: damodaran.bal...@gmail.com Has anybody out in the group gone through the book and/or video lecture series? Here's the link for those

Re: [Ilugc] How to find the source of packet loss

2011-04-27 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Preetish wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Raja Subramanian > wrote: >> On Apr 19, 2011 4:49 PM, "Preetish" wrote: [snipped] > Thanks for the suggestions and sorry for the delay in my response. I > put the VC on a public IP in the same subnet and di

Re: [Ilugc] How to find the source of packet loss

2011-04-27 Thread Preetish
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Raja Subramanian wrote: > On Apr 19, 2011 4:49 PM, "Preetish" wrote: >> Thanks. I ran MTR and did see that there are packet loss on certain >> hops ( outside our ISP's AS ) I have created a video and sent it to >> the ISP. Lets see what they have to say. > > Your

[Ilugc] Fwd: [KDE-India] Congratulations team KDE India and selected GSoC students!

2011-04-27 Thread Sathishkumar Duraisamy
-- Forwarded message -- From: Akarsh Simha Date: 2011/4/27 Subject: [KDE-India] Congratulations team KDE India and selected GSoC students! To: KDE India Mailing List Hey I'm pleased to announce that there are (at least) 17 selected GSoC students from India! Just to go down the