[Ilugc] Jun Month ILUGC Meet

2008-06-12 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
ILUGC Meet (Jun 14th):- = Time : Sat Jun 14th 15:00 IST 2008 Venue: ADI-TeNeT Seminar Hall, Room No: CSD 320, Electrical Science Block, IIT-Madras. Map: http://www.chennailug.org/tenet > Talk 1: Small tutorial on IP routing and a Redundancy Demo Speaker

Re: [Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (W)

2008-06-12 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
On 09:46:38 Jun 13, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: > One Day One GNU/Linux Command > = > > w -- show Who is doing What > > Summary : > > w is part of the procps package. w shows information about the users > currently on the machine, and their processes. The header shows

[Ilugc] abhas talk - feed back from an engineer with a leading propritery software company in blr

2008-06-12 Thread Senthil Sundaram (sensunda)
From: Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:44 AM To: 'Free Software Users Group - Bangalore' Subject: abhas talk - feed back from Magesh and engineer with a leading propritery software company in blr Free Software Talk by Abhas - 7 June

[Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (W)

2008-06-12 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
One Day One GNU/Linux Command = w -- show Who is doing What Summary : w is part of the procps package. w shows information about the users currently on the machine, and their processes. The header shows, in this order, the current time, Uptime, no. of current users, &

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Balu manyam wrote: > > So i guess the summary will be that none of the tools are perfect :( > hey guys - from my exp - mii-tool is not capable of reporting correctly for > NICs linking at 1000mbps FD - ethtool can do that -- so yeah if all NICs > are ifconfig up'ed - ethtool

Re: [Ilugc] survey of FOSS success stories

2008-06-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 13-Jun-08, at 4:20 AM, Natarajan V wrote: A doubt on the definition. I have asked Sandip to clarify - my views below 1. A lot of clients (mostly American and European) with whom I work with do use Linux and a few Apache products. When i say they use Linux, they use it as the base OS for

Re: [Ilugc] survey of FOSS success stories

2008-06-12 Thread Natarajan V
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > Sandip Saini of NRC-FOSS is doing his PhD in a study of foss methodologies. > As part of his work, he is trying to compile a set of FOSS success stories. > Definition: A doubt on the definition. 1. A lot of cli

Re: [Ilugc] Frame doubt - reg

2008-06-12 Thread Natarajan V
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:13 AM, srini vasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello Sir, > > I am new learner to Linux & Java. Welcome to Both Linux and Java :-) > I want to work with 2 frames. Before you go any further; what exactly are you working on? Pick the right one 1. JSP/HTML/JSF/Struts/

[Ilugc] Re: [PLUG] survey of FOSS success stories

2008-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: We would be happy if members of these lists could suggest places he could investigate. You may contact him at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] also feel free to post such things in this list. Enterprise Linux vendors have success stories listed in their website. It is easy eno

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Balu manyam
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Preetish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This depends on how much support for the MII interface is present in the > NIC > > driver in use. I have come across drivers that do not implement MII > > completely and this mii-tool is unable to show you the correct link >

Re: [Ilugc] [COMMERCIAL] Ubuntu's Latest Version (DVD) With LFY's June Issue

2008-06-12 Thread Sanjay Chigurupati
Sorry, I accidentally replied to the ilugc mailing list instead of the sender. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

Re: [Ilugc] [COMMERCIAL] Ubuntu's Latest Version (DVD) With LFY's June Issue

2008-06-12 Thread Sanjay Chigurupati
Hi, btw, would it be possible to get a replacement dvd for older issue? My freebsd dvd that came with my copy (subscription) was bit scratched. Is too late to get a replacement? Regards, Sanjay --- Niraj Sahay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [COMMERCIAL] > > Hi guys and gals, > > June issue of LI

Re: [OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Mehul Ved
On Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:54:42PM +0530, Arun Khan wrote: > MTNL/Delhi (like BSNL across the country) offers 256/256 Kbps unlimited > but at a higher tariff compared to BSNL. I asked the Mumbai babus > about the differences in Delhi/Mumbai unlimited plans and was told that > an unlimited plan,

Re: [OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > OK, I have marked it OT, in a new composition with appropriate sub. > line. Thanks. > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kumar Appaiah wrote: >> Which leads me to wonder aloud on an off-topic rant; why on EARTH >> does MTNL Mumbai have the most ice-age ra

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Preetish
> This depends on how much support for the MII interface is present in the NIC > driver in use. I have come across drivers that do not implement MII > completely and this mii-tool is unable to show you the correct link status, > regardless of the interface status. > > Thus mii-tool's output does no

[Ilugc] Help ! Want a 64 bit Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop edition CD

2008-06-12 Thread Dennis Francis
Hello all, Does anyone got a 64 bit version of Hardy Heron Desktop edition CD ? I'm from Kalpakkam. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc

[OT] brain dead ISP (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
OK, I have marked it OT, in a new composition with appropriate sub. line. On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > > Good luck explaining all this to MTNL (believe me I have tried upto > > GM Broadband). Now, I am thankful for little thi

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Shuveb Hussain
Hi, On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Bharathi Subramanian < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mii-tool will return correct link status, even if the eth0 is down. > But AFAIK it is not the case with ethtool. > This depends on how much support for the MII interface is present in the NIC driver in use.

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > Good luck explaining all this to MTNL (believe me I have tried upto GM > Broadband). Now, I am thankful for little things like my DSL > connection initializes and gives me 'Net connection. Cannot comment on > other ISPs. Which leads me to wonde

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Preetish wrote: > > mii-tool will return correct link status, even if the eth0 is down. > > But AFAIK it is not the case with ethtool. > > so can this be considered as a bug ? Not sure. When interface is down, I am not getting any status info in the ethtool output and man pa

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Preetish
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Preetish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> mii-tool will return correct link status, even if the eth0 is down. >> But AFAIK it is not the case with ethtool. > > so can this be considered as a bug ? > This is somthing I found http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6908

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Preetish
> > mii-tool will return correct link status, even if the eth0 is down. > But AFAIK it is not the case with ethtool. so can this be considered as a bug ? ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the mess

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Preetish wrote: > > mii-tool is using the MII interface available in the HW. It is > > indenpent of the interface status. But ethtool might be using status > > avail in the driver itself (Not sure), which depends on the interface > > status. > > But is it not returning the wr

[Ilugc] [COMMERCIAL] Ubuntu's Latest Version (DVD) With LFY's June Issue

2008-06-12 Thread Niraj Sahay
[COMMERCIAL] Hi guys and gals, June issue of LINUX For You is now out. Here's a list of the issue highlights... *** THE DISTRO DVD *** UBUNTU 8.04 (Hardy Heron) is there on the DVD! *** THE COVER STORY *** OOMXL: TO BE, OR NOT TO BE Is OOXML truly an Open Standard? Is it really fit to be an

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > Which is why having a community supported service sounds increasingly > > like a good idea. Let's see if there is some "prior art" which can > > help. > > This works when there are a number of

GNU/Hurd (Was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > I test/use it with qemu: > http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/hurd-k16-x86.html Nice set of instructions :) It may be great for teaching operating system design just like Minix. > | I haven't kept up with the development. > > \-- > > Browse t

[Ilugc] Frame doubt - reg

2008-06-12 Thread srini vasan
  Hello Sir, I am new learner to Linux & Java. I want to work with 2 frames. In one frame getting the text field (that means change event of the text field) if i change the text field in first frame then the corresponding changes are made in the frame2 list box. After changing the frame 2 the

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I > > > dont see why people bow to the big G > > > > assuming one had c

Re: [Ilugc] query regarding ethtool

2008-06-12 Thread Preetish
> mii-tool is using the MII interface available in the HW. It is > indenpent of the interface status. But ethtool might be using status > avail in the driver itself (Not sure), which depends on the interface > status. But is it not returning the wrong value ? __

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Mehul Ved
On Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:47:25PM +0530, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: > I am kinda confused by the recent posts in this list. One post actually > proclaimed that Google could turn Gmail commercial and force you to pay for > it. Would it serve them financially to take such a step? IMO, they gain much m

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, --- On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Unfortunately, I have since then migrated to using only a laptop, \-- I test/use it with qemu: http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/hurd-k16-x86.html --- | I haven't kept up with the development. \-- Brows

Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Does a programmer need a degree ?

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Wednesday 11 Jun 2008, benjamin wrote: > "Google, like most other companies, requires a BS (equivalent) for > all their programming positions. Most companies have such a HR policy. I could be wrong but the origin may be in how salary structures were created in organizations and the thus each

Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Does a programmer need a degree ?

2008-06-12 Thread Shuveb Hussain
Hmm.. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Sriram Karra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Shuveb Hussain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > Not to be too pedantic about it what visa were you granted, actually? > Hope it was not a tourist visa :) > It was a B1, but I was s

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hurd and vista are in competition as the two most useless operating > systems I haven't used Vista but I have used the Hurd---about 5 years ago when I decided that my desktop machine could manage fine with Hurd. Unfortunately, I have since

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a hetzner server costs 40 euro a month - if I can get another 5 guys from > ilugc to contribute, I can set up a mail/web server that we can all use - > free of the big G and secure (if the best talent in ilugc cannot s

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
Hello, On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > given that the cost of running one's own mail server is so low, I > > dont see why people bow to the big G > > assuming one had competency in this domain and the time, Which is why having a commu

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 10:53 AM, Arun Khan wrote: You are free to choose MS Windows, the *BSD variants, Mac OS X, OpenSolaris - but Hurd? Is FSF using it on their production machines? hurd and vista are in competition as the two most useless operating systems -- regards kg http://lawgon.livej

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 12-Jun-08, at 10:44 AM, Arun Khan wrote: On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 11-Jun-08, at 11:57 PM, Arnold Noronha wrote: Personally I prefer to discourage monopolies. (And so I adamantly stuck to my jabber account when everybody started using gmail. I found out the hard

[Ilugc] Re: Petaflop barrier reched for the first time, by an RHEL + Cell/Opteron system

2008-06-12 Thread p . sriram
Masatran, R. Deepak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1010_3-6241145.html > > Thankfully the market for supercomputer OS rests safely with Linux well, this new number one machine does not have much to do with that. this happened about five years ago when ibm and hp decide

Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Does a programmer need a degree ?

2008-06-12 Thread Sriram Karra
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Shuveb Hussain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not exactly true. I hold a B.A in English Literature. I haven't collected > my > college degree yet. So, no papers. I got a US visa and the interview lasted > about a minute. I don't know if the officer was lax, but I got

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: > I would not say I discourage monopoly. I discourage companies that > enforce monopoly. If every monopoly must be shot in the head, then so > must Linux. We should start using Hurd or some other "not used by > every other FLOSS user" OS Thanks. I

Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!

2008-06-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 12 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On 11-Jun-08, at 11:57 PM, Arnold Noronha wrote: > > Personally I prefer to discourage monopolies. (And so I adamantly > > stuck to my jabber account when everybody started using gmail. I > > found out the hard way that people were trying to send