[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread Michael Thomas
On 4/2/25 10:49 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Wed 02/Apr/2025 18:03:31 +0200 John Levine wrote: It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: No, it's not so much the interpretation of pass/fail, which I think will be expressed by policies anyway, but the checks you perform to achieve that resul

[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Wed 02/Apr/2025 18:03:31 +0200 John Levine wrote: It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: No, it's not so much the interpretation of pass/fail, which I think will be expressed by policies anyway, but the checks you perform to achieve that result. DKIM2 checks the envelope, for example, wh

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Review: draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation-01

2025-04-02 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/1/2025 8:42 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 1 Apr 2025, at 22:30, Dave Crocker wrote: When calling to have a wg adopt a draft, it is worth reviewing comments on that draft beforehand The draft version that was called for adoption is drastically different than the draft on which you commented,

[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 01/Apr/2025 19:45:10 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 10:26 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: The resulting DKIM verifier is not semi-broken, it's DKIM2-tolerant. And it's not just a library change, it's also the MTA interface. First you said: "a DKIM1 verifier will

[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread John Levine
It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: >No, it's not so much the interpretation of pass/fail, which I think will be >expressed by policies anyway, but the checks you perform to achieve that >result. DKIM2 checks the envelope, for example, which DKIM1 does not. So >DKIM2 may fail on messages

[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread Michael Thomas
On 4/2/25 1:45 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: On 2 Apr 2025, at 00:26, Michael Thomas wrote: Who cares? These micro-optimizations are pointless. It solves a problem that nobody is asking to be solved. I'm just trying to imagine the conversation with a CIO: Smaller and simpler means cheaper mainte

[Ietf-dkim] Re: On the rationale for a new protocol (from the meeting)

2025-04-02 Thread Steve Atkins
> On 2 Apr 2025, at 00:26, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 4/1/25 3:19 PM, Richard Clayton wrote: >> In message , Michael >> Thomas writes >> >> > Two different code paths, two different places for screw ups and >> > maintenance. I'm with Murray that there is a lot of appeal to backward >> >

[Ietf-dkim] Re: Review: draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation-01

2025-04-02 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Apr 2, 2025, at 13:53, Dave Crocker wrote: > Speaking of standard, I see that this draft is listed as intending standards > track. That´s quite unusual for a ´motivation´ document. I am curious how > conformance/interoperability will be tested? > That would be an oversight on my part.