Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
Is this the document with the proposed SOW? http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised (disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not saying that you should not use the Office suite to write it,

Re: Radical Solution for remote participants

2013-08-13 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: > 10) Establish a reasonable fee to facilitate remote participants who > receive credit for their participation equal to that of being local. > I understand the rationale here, but I'm nervous about any movement toward a kind of "pay-to-play s

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Melinda Shore
On 8/12/13 11:36 PM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > Anyway, I use Linux, so I guess I will not be able to give my input about it. I agree in principle (MS document formats are not a suitable document exchange format for an open standards body) but in truth, it's been awhile since Open Office hasn't

Re: Radical Solution for remote participants

2013-08-13 Thread John Leslie
Dave Cridland wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: > >> 10) Establish a reasonable fee to facilitate remote participants who >> receive credit for their participation equal to that of being local. > > > > I understand the rationale here, but I'm nervous about any mo

Re: [apps-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-bormann-cbor-04

2013-08-13 Thread Tony Finch
Carsten Bormann wrote: > >The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is a data format >whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code >size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need >for version negotiation. These design goals make it

Re: Last Call: (Security Services for the Registration Data Access Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread SM
Hi Murray, At 10:36 AM 8/5/2013, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: RDAP is far from the first protocol specification to exist across multiple RFCs, so this approach isn't uncommon. That said, I take it you believe the material here should be rolled into one of the other documents? Yes. Correct, t

Re: Data collection for remote participation

2013-08-13 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Vinayak, At 06:09 AM 8/12/2013, Vinayak Hegde wrote: There has been a lot of discussion on the IETF mailing list regarding improving remote participation and improving diversity on the mailing lists and in the working groups. I think the two are related. I think everyone broadly agrees that re

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 13, 2013, at 3:49 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > I agree in principle (MS document formats are not a suitable document > exchange format for an open standards body) but in truth, it's been > awhile since Open Office hasn't been able to read .doc files correctly. I wonder, though, if this docum

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread John Levine
> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc > >I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised >(disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not >saying that you should not use the Office suite to write it, but you >could convert it to PDF (better

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM, John Levine wrote: >> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc >> >>I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised >>(disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not >>saying that you should not use the Office s

Re: [apps-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-bormann-cbor-04

2013-08-13 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Aug 13, 2013, at 13:14, Tony Finch wrote: > Type tags don't really need to > be part of the serialization format: they can be encoded in a simpler > format by the application. Yes, and we also can get rid of maps {"a": 1, "b": 2}. Just represent them as arrays of two-element arrays [["a", 1

Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread Graham Klyne
From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'URI Scheme for S

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:51 AM, John Levine wrote: > There's no great way > to send around a redlined document and I'd say that Word formats are > currently the least bad. rfcdiff does really nicely, actually.

Last Call: (Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) Uniform Resource Identifiers) to Proposed

2013-08-13 Thread Graham Klyne
From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-to: iesg-secret...@ietf.org Subject: Last Call: (Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) Uniform Resource Identifiers) to Proposed X-C5I-RSN: 1/0/934/11413/12177 The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following docu

Re: [apps-discuss] Gen-ART review of draft-bormann-cbor-04

2013-08-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >> The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is a data format >> whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code >> size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need >>

Re: Radical Solution for remote participants

2013-08-13 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 06:24 -0400 John Leslie wrote: > Dave Cridland wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Douglas Otis >> wrote: >> >>> 10) Establish a reasonable fee to facilitate remote >>> participants who receive credit for their participation >>> equal to that of being

Re: [rfc-i] Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ray Pelletier
Riccardo All of the DOC files are in the process of being replaced with PDF files. I apologize for the inconvenience and angst this caused. Ray On Aug 13, 2013, at 3:36 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > Is this the document with the proposed SOW? > > http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Propo

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread John Levine
>I wonder, though, if this document might have contained change bars that >nobody but people who use MS >Word would see. Opening the document up in Preview on the Mac, it's just >four or five pages of >text, with no way to evaluate what changed. It looks fine in OpenOffice. Really. I agree w

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-karp-crypto-key-table-08

2013-08-13 Thread Jari Arkko
Thank you for your review, David. The Gen-ART reviews are important feedback for me to understand where I should look more closely. In this case your review caused me to read the draft in detail, and I now have similar question as you did. I have raised a Discuss in my IESG ballot so that we c

Re: Last Call: (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread S Moonesamy
At 15:14 12-08-2013, Graham Klyne wrote: But, in a personal capacity, not as designated reviewer, I have to ask *why* this needs to be a URI. As far as I can tell, it is intended for use only in very constrained environments, where there seems to be little value in having an identifier that ca

What RFC 2026 says (was: Last Call:

2013-08-13 Thread SM
At 09:25 10-08-2013, Ted Lemon wrote: Fair point. RFC2026 does not in fact make the distinction I made. Here is what RFC 2026 says about proposed standards: A Proposed Standard specification is generally stable, has resolved known design choices, is believed to be well-understood, has r

Re: What RFC 2026 says

2013-08-13 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/13/2013 12:40 PM, SM wrote: There is a bug in the above. I prefer to avoid quoting RFC 2026 nowadays as nobody really knows what RFC 2026; or to say it differently, the consensus is that there isn't any consensus about RFC 2026. Either you are wrong or we have no stable, written criteri

re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Dear authors, sorry I'm submitting these comments after the end of the LC period. I hope they can still be of use. - The document is well written and very clearly explained. - I am still of the opinion that this document should better be published as Experimental RFC. Unlike TCP and UDP. But

Re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread Joe Hildebrand
(leaving a full response to the authors, and responding to a couple of points I found interesting) On 8/13/13 3:11 PM, "Yaron Sheffer" wrote: >- Arrays are prefixed by the number of elements but not by their length >in bytes. And elements need not be all of the same size. So you cannot >skip the

RE: RFC 6980 on Security Implications of IPv6 Fragmentation with IPv6 Neighbor Discovery

2013-08-13 Thread Stephen Nadas
Ok. I assume this should be for FT? Or just something to get started? Steve -Original Message- From: rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org [rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org] Received: Tuesday, 13 Aug 2013, 18:18 To: ietf-annou...@ietf.org [ietf-annou...@ietf.org]; rfc-d...@rfc-editor.org [rfc-d...@rfc-edito

Re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > sorry I'm submitting these comments after the end of the LC period. I hope > they can still be of use. No problem, and the are. Some answers below. > - The "diagnostic notation" can be used very effectively for things like > configuration fi

re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-13 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - >From: Yaron Sheffer >Sent: Aug 13, 2013 2:11 PM >To: IETF Discussion Mailing List >Subject: re: Last Call: (Concise Binary Object >Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard ... >- The "diagnostic notation" can be used very effectively for things like >configuration files, e.g. if