Subject: Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers Date: Wed, May 22,
2013 at 12:29:58PM + Quoting Yoav Nir (y...@checkpoint.com):
> Seems like a tough sell to me.
Not worse than BCP38 ;-)
OTOH, I have _personally_ done this. I introduced and enforced and got set
into policy that
--On Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:49 +1000 Mark Andrews
wrote:
> Asking people to run a nameserver which "responds" to queries
> isn't unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination
> regardless of their economic circumstances. The nameservers
> that people used in the 1980's did this correctly.
As you may know the IAOC has been investigating the feasibility of having an
IETF
meeting in South America. There was a site visit to South America last
February.
We have found two venues that we believe will support a successful IETF meeting
and we would like to get feedback from the community
I think this is an excellent idea. The Adelaide meeting worked out fine,
and this would be a lot closer for a great many participants than that
meeting was.
Cheers,
Andy
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:54 AM, The IAOC wrote:
> As you may know the IAOC has been investigating the feasibility of havi
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> I think this is an excellent idea. The Adelaide meeting worked out fine, and
> this would be a lot closer for a great many participants than that meeting
> was.
Likewise. --dmm
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:54 AM, T
Being a tango addict, Buenos Aires deserves a huge +1 from me!
Cheers,
Simon
Simon
Il giorno 23/mag/2013, alle ore 17:54, The IAOC ha scritto:
> As you may know the IAOC has been investigating the feasibility of having an
> IETF
> meeting in South America. There was a site visit to South Ame
On May 23, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> I think this is an excellent idea. The Adelaide meeting worked out fine, and
> this would be a lot closer for a great many participants than that meeting
> was.
(Not that they want us commenting on this thread; that's what the poll is
for
Never been to Buenos Aires - but it sounds like a great idea. I know that
the search has been on for
an acceptable venue in South America for a long while.
Alia
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:39 PM, David Meyer wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Andrew G. Malis
> wrote:
> > I think this is
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On May 23, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>
> > I think this is an excellent idea. The Adelaide meeting worked out fine,
> and this would be a lot closer for a great many participants than that
> meeting was.
>
> (Not that they wa
--On Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:59 -0700 Paul Hoffman
wrote:
> (Not that they want us commenting on this thread; that's what
> the poll is for...)
They explicitly asked for comments on this list.
> I suspect that if the meeting is approved, the food in Buenos
> Aires will be more interesting t
On 5/23/13 10:30 AM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Never been to Buenos Aires - but it sounds like a great idea.
I'm skeptical that it will change much - it seems likely to me
that we'll get a bunch of one-time attendees and that we'll be
doing really well to get one new person who becomes a continuing
par
> I suspect that if the meeting is approved, the food in Buenos Aires
> will be more interesting than it was in Adelaide, at least for many of
> us. The locals speaking English might also be more understandable. :-)
If you like steak or pizza and lots of pretty good red wine, the food
in Buenos Ai
--On Thursday, May 23, 2013 13:42 -0500 Behcet Sarikaya
wrote:
>> The locals speaking English might also be more
>> understandable. :-)
>>
>>
> In my recent trip to Santiago, Chile, locals not speaking
> English turned out to be really painful for someone who can
> not speak Spanish, like mys
This is very good news. If done, it would show how the IETF is evolving
and adapting to this new world that it is own creation "the Internet"
has make us live in.
Regards,
as
On 5/23/13 3:30 PM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Never been to Buenos Aires - but it sounds like a great idea. I know
> t
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
>
> This is very good news. If done, it would show how the IETF is
> evolving
> and adapting to this new world that it is own creation "the Internet"
> has make us live in.
You seem slightly confused. If you look at the original messa
Today is not enough to only have meetings where attendees are coming
from. That is a parading that we need to break and I think that we are
moving in that direction.
I am not expecting to agree with me as I do not agree that we only
contribute to standards development.
Regards,
a
For what it is worth, I wanted to provide my perspective on this. I of course
believe that it is important that the IETF reaches out to an even more
international participation than it already has. This is first of all because
we really need the views from different types of organisations and d
On May 23, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Arturo Servin
wrote:
> I am not expecting to agree with me as I do not agree that we only contribute
> to standards development.
I agree with the substance of Donald's comment. Let me talk for a moment about
Adelaide.
In March 2000, the IETF met in Adelaide. I w
On 24/05/2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
> I took the perspective that on our 40th meeting, we could have 1/40 in a
> place that we had a few faithful participants that was well out of the way.
Does this imply that, if we have a meeting in South America, I'll need to wait
another 1
I stare at the map of where the IETF meetings occurred
(http://ws.org.br/index.php/IETF_Meetings) and wondering if the fact of
bringing some of the meetings to below the Equator could lead to
increase people participation.
The answer is always negative. Will not increase participation of more
peop
On 5/23/13 5:34 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
> Currently there are three. How many? To twelve meetings per year, for
> example!
Sounds like a sure-fire way to shift the participation from
skewing towards working engineers to skewing towards professional
standardizers.
How can we encourage people from
I think we will have new challenges to be defined. New opportunities for
change that can stimulate, for example, the coming of researchers
immersed in universities and / or research centers, not yet
participating in the IETF. Maybe they can not submit drafts, but can
contribute to foster the knowle
On 5/23/13 6:37 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
> Maybe they can not submit drafts, but can
> contribute to foster the knowledge of those who produce drafts or
> working as reviewers.
Anyone can submit a draft and anyone can review a draft. The
barrier to that sort of participation is extremely low. So
On May 23, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> So the question is why we aren't seeing more drafts, reviews, and
> discussions from people in Central and South America,
Language?
Regards,
-drc
>On May 23, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> So the question is why we aren't seeing more drafts, reviews, and
>> discussions from people in Central and South America,
>
>Language?
Possibly, but we get quite a lot from parts of Asia where I'd think
the language issue would be more severe
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 5/23/13 6:37 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
> > Maybe they can not submit drafts, but can
> > contribute to foster the knowledge of those who produce drafts or
> > working as reviewers.
>
> Anyone can submit a draft and anyone can review a draft.
Besides the language there is a big digital divide particularly in South
America.
Many of you know that actively participating in this type of forums
requires a non trivial amount of time (plus skills and knowledge.) In
developed countries some IETF members have a better financial situation or
are
On May 23, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>
>> I took the perspective that on our 40th meeting, we could have 1/40 in a
>> place that we had a few faithful participants that was well out of the way.
>
> Does this imply that,
On 5/23/13 5:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>
>> I took the perspective that on our 40th meeting, we could have 1/40
>> in a place that we had a few faithful participants that was well
>> out of the way.
>
> Does this imply that, if we have
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On 24/05/2013, at 2:10 PM, "Fred Baker (fred)" wrote:
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> On May 23, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
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>> On 24/05/2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>>
>>> I took the perspective that on our 40th meeting, w
On Thu, 23 May 2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
One thing that could help is if some companies like Cisco, Google,
Juniper, etc, with presence in the region start sponsoring some
individuals that have been participating or are interested to
participate at IETF so they can have more time and financial
On May 23, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson
wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
>> One thing that could help is if some companies like Cisco, Google, Juniper,
>> etc, with presence in the region start sponsoring some individuals that have
>> been participating or are int
At 20:42 23-05-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
Taking the IETF meeting to Buenos Aires is not a bad idea, but when
the meeting is over the root problem will still be there.
Jari Arkko is the Chair of the IETF. He asked the following
questions ( http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg7
Vinayak,
> Maybe several co-located meetings or having people from the IETF speak at
> universities and regional ISOC chapters around the meeting might help. Also
> showcasing the good work done by their Latin American peers might help as
> well.
Good ideas. Thanks.
Jari
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