Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with you SM, politics and considering countries names in that way, that is out of scope of IETF. Comments below, AB On 9/8/13, SM wrote: > At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: >>You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia > > There were people from Pakistan who part

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 9/8/13 4:36 PM, SM wrote: > Hi Joel, > At 11:59 08-09-2013, joel jaeggli wrote: >> Should your tools, the contents of your mind, and the various effects >> and context of your personal communication become instruments of >> state-power? Because the tools we've built are certainly capable of that

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
Hi Joel, At 11:59 08-09-2013, joel jaeggli wrote: Should your tools, the contents of your mind, and the various effects and context of your personal communication become instruments of state-power? Because the tools we've built are certainly capable of that. Yes. That's not a good motivation t

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Janet P Gunn
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 09/08/2013 08:14:07 AM: > From: Phillip Hallam-Baker > > Another worrying aspect of BULLRUN is that it is named after a > victory for the confederate side in the US civil war. But the battles are only called the (First or Second) Battle of Bull Run by the NORTH

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 09/09/2013 03:03, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. >> >> Noel >> > > I grew up in politics. There is a method to my approach here. Nevertheless, it is the wrong method here.

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 9/8/13 10:37 AM, SM wrote: > At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: >> You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia > > There were people from Pakistan who participated in the IETF. I recall > an email exchange where a person from that country received an > unpleasant commen

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia There were people from Pakistan who participated in the IETF. I recall an email exchange where a person from that country received an unpleasant comment from someone who is part of the IETF

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:13:44 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ... > might be the type of people who put confederate flags on their cars. ... Since Bull Run is the Union name for the battle, probably not (It'd have been Manassas from a Confederate perspective). Scott K P. S. We are rathe

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > > >The other countries concerned did not employ torture as the US did under > President Bush. > > You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia > My original comment was limited to adversaries with potential intercept capabil

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. > > Noel > I grew up in politics. There is a method to my approach here. I know that the IETF list is watched. I am making it clear that I am a personal political opponent of C

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Noel Chiappa
Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. Noel

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Jorge Amodio
>The other countries concerned did not employ torture as the US did under President Bush. You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia -J

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
>provided by the Fourth Amendment applies only to US citizens and not >to EU citizens or other non-US citizens;" > > There aren't any villains in all this. There is a question of whether the > company taking the data will value each of its customers equably when it

Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
as EU citizens; whereas, for instance, the protection provided by the Fourth Amendment applies only to US citizens and not to EU citizens or other non-US citizens;" There aren't any villains in all this. There is a question of whether the company taking the data will value each