Re: [rfc-i] [IAOC] Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-19 Thread Nico Williams
Several open-source compilers exist. It would not be hard to a) make a library of modules from RFCs (to deal with IMPORTS), b) make a cgi-bin compiler. It's not what I do on a daily basis, but if you put together a cgi-bin where all I need to provide is a command to run on a file and output warni

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-18 Thread Bert Wijnen (IETF)
The point w.r.t. MIB module checking was that during editing phase, even a small typo in a double quote or some such would render the MIB module invalid/non-compilable (i.e. invalid SYNTAX). So if RPC does not touch the text at all, then there is no need for them to check. But if they DO touch it

Re: [IAOC] Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-17 Thread Russ Housley
In my experience, the RFC Editor relies on authors to compile non-MIB ASN.1 modules. Russ On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:16 -0700, Sandy Ginoza wrote: > >> 2) In the following, we suggest that "ASN.1 (and particularly MIBs and >> MIB-related d

Re: [IAB] Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-17 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Ray, I have one question regarding 3: > 3.Accountability > The RPC is responsible to the RSE as regards to RFC Series consistency. This is the entirety of a section called "accountability". Can this be clarified? What about other than RFC Series consistency? What is example of how this st

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-17 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 13:16 -0700, Sandy Ginoza wrote: > 2) In the following, we suggest that "ASN.1 (and particularly MIBs and > MIB-related details)" be updated to reflect "MIBs". Although MIB > modules are written using a subset of ASN.1, the RPC does not check all > ASN.1, we only check MIBs.

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-16 Thread David Harrington
Hi, A few nits regrading MIB module checking... On 8/16/13 4:16 PM, "Sandy Ginoza" wrote: > > > >2) In the following, we suggest that "ASN.1 (and particularly MIBs and >MIB-related details)" be updated to reflect "MIBs". Although MIB modules >are written using a subset of ASN.1, the RPC does

RE: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
:iesg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ray > Pelletier > Sent: 16 August 2013 19:48 > To: ietf@ietf.org > Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; rfc-inter...@rfc-editor.org; i...@iab.org; > i...@ietf.org; IETF Announcement List > Subject: Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Produc

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Sandy, I'm not sure how or if it plays into the SoW but your diagram shows errata handling in the publisher part. Many people find the current errata process not that great, but we've collectively not gotten around to figuring out something better. I think the possible consequence is that it

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-16 Thread Sandy Ginoza
Greetings, Since the publication of RFC 5620, the RFC Editor has been working to implement the RPC and Publisher split. Based on our attempts to create two separable entities per RFC 5620 and later RFC 6635, our understanding of the motivations for splitting the RPC and Publisher into distinct

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-16 Thread Ray Pelletier
All; Are there any more comments on the SOWs? This item will be on the IAOC agenda for its call on 22 August. Ray On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:54 PM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The RFC Series Editor (RSE) is proposing changes to the Statements of Work > (SOW) for the RFC > Production Cen

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread John Levine
>I wonder, though, if this document might have contained change bars that >nobody but people who use MS >Word would see. Opening the document up in Preview on the Mac, it's just >four or five pages of >text, with no way to evaluate what changed. It looks fine in OpenOffice. Really. I agree w

Re: [rfc-i] Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ray Pelletier
Riccardo All of the DOC files are in the process of being replaced with PDF files. I apologize for the inconvenience and angst this caused. Ray On Aug 13, 2013, at 3:36 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > Is this the document with the proposed SOW? > > http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Propo

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:51 AM, John Levine wrote: > There's no great way > to send around a redlined document and I'd say that Word formats are > currently the least bad. rfcdiff does really nicely, actually.

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM, John Levine wrote: >> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc >> >>I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised >>(disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not >>saying that you should not use the Office s

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread John Levine
> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc > >I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised >(disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not >saying that you should not use the Office suite to write it, but you >could convert it to PDF (better

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 13, 2013, at 3:49 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > I agree in principle (MS document formats are not a suitable document > exchange format for an open standards body) but in truth, it's been > awhile since Open Office hasn't been able to read .doc files correctly. I wonder, though, if this docum

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Melinda Shore
On 8/12/13 11:36 PM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > Anyway, I use Linux, so I guess I will not be able to give my input about it. I agree in principle (MS document formats are not a suitable document exchange format for an open standards body) but in truth, it's been awhile since Open Office hasn't

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-13 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
Is this the document with the proposed SOW? http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RPC-Proposed-SoW-2013-final.doc I know that I should not this, but... I am a bit surprised (disappointed) in seeing a proprietary format used here. I am not saying that you should not use the Office suite to write it,

Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher

2013-08-12 Thread IETF Administrative Director
The RFC Series Editor (RSE) is proposing changes to the Statements of Work (SOW) for the RFC Production Center (RPC) and the RFC Publisher. The IAOC wants to receive community input prior to negotiating the proposed changes with the contractor. Community input will be discussed with the RSE