Re: [apps-discuss] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-09-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Douglas Otis wrote: > > When the REPUTE list first started, I commented about DKIM's inability to > support fair reputation, and about 1 year ago, and then again a few months > ago IIRC. These comments were ignored with some denouncement appearing in > other venu

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-09-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Hi Tony, thanks for the review. Apologies for the long delay replying. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > I have been selected as the Applications Area Directorate reviewer for this > draft (for background on appsdir, please see > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/

Re: [apps-discuss] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-09-03 Thread Douglas Otis
On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Colleagues, and Doug especially, > > The message I sent (below) wasn't intended as a "shut up and go away" > message, but a genuine query. I have grave doubts that TLS is the > right example (to begin with, I think fitting it into the REPUT

Re: [apps-discuss] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Colleagues, and Doug especially, The message I sent (below) wasn't intended as a "shut up and go away" message, but a genuine query. I have grave doubts that TLS is the right example (to begin with, I think fitting it into the REPUTE approach, given the existing CA structure, would also be contro

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, After reading the reviews of the Application Area Directorate review it seems to me that there is some misunderstanding of what an Application Area Directorate review is about. The review is to give the Applications Area Directors a sense of how important it is that they pay attention

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi Doug! On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 04:24:17PM -0700, Douglas Otis wrote: > Use of DKIM offers a very poor authentication example Thanks for the feedback. I don't recall you having made this point on the repute mailing list. Did you, & I missed it? Do you have a better example, specifically excl

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Douglas Otis
Dear Tony, Use of DKIM offers a very poor authentication example, since this draft makes the same errors made in RFC5863. It is wrong to suggest the DKIM protocol permits associating a validated identifier to a message as stated in the Introduction. This is the same erroneous conflation of a

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Tony Hansen
On 8/30/2013 2:37 PM, Hector Santos wrote: > On 8/30/2013 10:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> >> The document describes a model for reputation services, particularly >> those being produced by the Repute WG. It follows the recommendations >> of RFc4101 for describing a protocol model, which requires an

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/30/2013 4:09 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:39:14PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: archives of the Repute WG to find or extract these very real and practical integration considerations. The document should have these general considerations summarized. But your sugges

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:39:14PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: > archives of the Repute WG to find or extract these very real and > practical integration considerations. The document should have > these general considerations summarized. But your suggestion was for protocol-specific advice. I d

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
On 8/30/2013 10:46 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: The document describes a model for reputation services, particularly those being produced by the Repute WG. It follows the recommendations of RFc4101 for describing a protocol model, which requires answers to 1) the problem the protocol is trying to

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Hector Santos
Hi Andrew, I think it can be generalized functional description without specifics. Designs based on REPUTE and its users of such products, will need some information. That may come (hopefully) from the REPUTE product designer. I am suggesting to remind such future REPUTE product designers of

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 02:37:13PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: > > For example, DKIM-REPUTE product designers would need to consider > SPF reputons product models. Simple text as follows can resolve the > integration consideration with little SPF fanfare the draft > obviously tried to avoid: Why

Re: AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 02:37:13PM -0400, Hector Santos wrote: > > For example, DKIM-REPUTE product designers would need to consider > > SPF reputons product models. Simple text as follows can resolve the > > integration consideration wi

AppsDir review of draft-ietf-repute-model-08

2013-08-30 Thread Tony Hansen
I have been selected as the Applications Area Directorate reviewer for this draft (for background on appsdir, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Please wait