Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-12 Thread Charles Mills
I suppose one could invent a language that had a verb, BIF or library call Say100Bottles() that would thereby solve the problem in one line of code. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-12 Thread Charles Mills
True that. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. Original message From: Jeremy Nicoll Date: 4/12/20 12:47 PM (GMT-08:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: About the "hello world" program On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 19:42, Charles Mills wrote:&

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
I assume you mean USS and not Linux on Z. I am not speaking out of school to say that Wells Fargo is a HUGE user of Linux on Z. Marcy Cortes has a SHARE talk "Penguins on the Stagecoach." Any C or C++ program -- assuming the IBM C/C++ compilers -- is using USS (I would say USS services but that

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
Subject: Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job? On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:32 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >Any C or C++ program -- assuming the IBM C/C++ compilers -- is using USS (I >would say USS services but that would be redundant). So I guess all of the >customers for my Cor

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
Actually, I considered asserting that there is no such thing as running on z/OS NOT under UNIX. I believe that "z/OS is UNIX" is a true statement. Most of us in this group think of z/OS as a bunch of traditional stuff with USS glued on top. From the Open Group's legal point of view, z/OS is UN

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
You are of course 100% correct technically but people refer colloquially to Linux all the time as UNIX so it is not an unreasonable question as to the writer's intent. A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Disc

SMF 30 "queued time" question

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
I submit a job in CLASS=X. It sits around for five minutes because there is no CLASS X initiator available. When one becomes available it takes off and runs, resulting in three or more SMF 30 records. Question: what field would best reflect that five minutes waiting for a CLASS X initiator? SMF30J

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
The La Brea Tar Pits. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job? Like talking about a VIN

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
uction job? Am 13.04.2020 um 15:10 schrieb Charles Mills: > I assume you mean USS and not Linux on Z. > > I am not speaking out of school to say that Wells Fargo is a HUGE user of > Linux on Z. Marcy Cortes has a SHARE talk "Penguins on the Stagecoach." > > Any C

Apparent bug in CBT 617 SMFREPT

2020-04-13 Thread Charles Mills
Unless I am confused there is a nasty little bug in several places in the subject program. If you are using it you might want to fix it. If you are the person who maintains the tape (Sam Golob?) you might want to fix it, or if you don't trust me, at least put a note in the program to this effect.

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
in a production job? Charles Mills wrote: >A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux? Neither. https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T. Architect Executive Digital Asset & Other Industry Solutions IBM Z & LinuxONE - - -

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
1.. Can certainly be any type of entry point: CSECT, ENTRY, IDENTIFY, etc. It has to be "visible" to MVS contents management: a PDS member name, a PDS member alias, IDENTIFY issued by a running program, etc. 2. There probably is a limit, but it is certainly in the double digits or higher. The asse

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage got abend 806

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
14, 2020 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage got abend 806 I had both an assembler entry and a binder entry and got program not found On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > > 1.. Can certainly be any type of entry point: CSECT, ENTRY, ID

Re: Apparent bug in CBT 617 SMFREPT

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
FOO = ARG(1) ARG FOO BAR SOJACK becomes FOO = ARG(1) BAR = ARG(2) SOJACK = ARG(3) Etc. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage got abend 806

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
you referring to the binder option or Statement On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > > Did you have an alias in a STEPLIB or the like? CSV cannot know what was in > your assembly and bind but not externalized in a STEPLIB PDS. > > Charles > > &g

Re: Apparent bug in CBT 617 SMFREPT

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
oes fix the problem. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Apparent bug in CBT 617 SMFREPT On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 08:50:27

Re: Apparent bug in CBT 617 SMFREPT

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
> BAR = ARG(2) > SOJACK = ARG(3) No! PARSE ARG FOO BAR SOJACK The original code parsed three tokens from arg(1). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesd

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
If the IDENTIFY failed then it is a cinch that LINK won't find it! You know the entry point has to be within an existing load module? You *cannot* do (what would be a very useful thing) a GETMAIN, build or copy some code into it, and then IDENTIFY it with an entrypoint. MVS internally has some

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage If the IDENTIFY fai

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
equire at least above the line. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: LINK EP/EPLOC= usage

2020-04-14 Thread Charles Mills
It's here https://ia801904.us.archive.org/28/items/bitsavers_ibm360osR21LoaderRel20PLMDec70_11418201/GY28-6714-1_Loader_Rel20_PLM_Dec70.pdf Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tu

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
half Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job? Charles Mills wrote: >A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux? I replied: >Neither. Charles Mills then replied: >Which *

How tell what verion of COBOL compiler produced load module?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
Given a COBOL-based load module, is there a way to tell what COBOL compiler (including version) the main module was built with? Is there a "tag" in the object code that says "this was compiled by (for example) Enterprise COBOL V6R3M0?" Charles

Re: How tell what verion of COBOL compiler produced load module?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
My ISPF 3 goes straight from 9 to 11! 9 CommandsCreate/change an application command table 11 Format Format definition for formatted data Edit/Browse But yes, thanks all on AMBLIST. Does the job. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: How tell what verion of COBOL compiler produced load module?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
hat assume you're not worthy of it. FM is mainly for browsing & editing VSAM files, but that Load Module utility (FM.3.10.1) is a hidden gem. sas On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:18 PM Charles Mills wrote: > My ISPF 3 goes straight from 9 to 11! > > 9 CommandsCreate/change an ap

Re: How tell what verion of COBOL compiler produced load module?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
you may not have it, or of course, have > sysadmins that assume you're not worthy of it. > > FM is mainly for browsing & editing VSAM files, but that Load Module > utility (FM.3.10.1) is a hidden gem. > > sas > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:18 PM Charles Mills wr

Re: How tell what verion of COBOL compiler produced load module?

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
Code Explanation 04 A LOAD macro was issued with conflicting options. One of the following occurred: v The EOM (delete module at end of memory) keyword, with the GLOBAL keyword omitted. The EOM keyword applies only if the module is loaded into CSA storage. v The GLOBAL and ADDR keywords are both

Re: Linkage editor question: renaming duplicate entry points

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
So every call to AX would instead call an entrypoint within a new module (except for one call from within that new module, which would call the old AX)? Yes, I think binder RENAME can do that. Code the new module to with a hard-coded entry of AX and an internal call to AXMINUS. No point in making

Re: Linkage editor question: renaming duplicate entry points

2020-04-15 Thread Charles Mills
ot;CHANGE" statement. I don't presently have the time to sort that out. And the required order of statements is sometimes surprising. Nevertheless, I'm sure it's doable. sas On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:12 PM Charles Mills wrote: > So every call to AX would instead call an

JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
Humor me. I'm an experienced developer playing newbie sysprog in my spare time. I've got a JES2 system where I want to change the order of job classes for some of the initiators. I could get professional help but it is a service bureau so that involves opening a ticket, dollars, etc., etc. I hav

Re: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
Really? Good to know. I did it before and it did not survive the IPL, but it was a new box and perhaps they cold-started JES2. I was not intimately involved in the IPL. I need to do this in any event because sooner or later there will be a cold start. Charles -Original Message- From:

Re: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
ssion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right? [[ SEI WARNING *** This email was sent from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown or suspicio

Re: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 17, 2020 1:44 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > Humor me. I'm an experienced developer playing newbie sysprog in my spare > time. > > I've got a JES2 sy

Re: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right? [[ SEI WARNING *** This email was sent from an external source. Do not open attachmen

Re: JES2 parm change - how make sure it's right?

2020-04-17 Thread Charles Mills
Drifting the topic, any product that lets you make changes via command really could use an option to generate a new startup options file that reflected all of the cumulative changes. It would take some doing to do it in way that preserved comments. And avoided misleading comments. Original opt

FTP documentation whines

2020-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's unless you folks tell me I am missing something. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/entrftpenv.htm Under the -f switch, gives the search order for "FTP.DATA" under UNIX and un

Re: FTP documentation whines

2020-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FTP documentation whines Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's unless you folks tell me I am missing something. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecent

Re: Memory-Lane Monday: System Zzzzz | Computerworld Shark Tank

2020-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
I worked as a contractor at a shop where the DP Manager made a point of *never* answering her phone at oh-dark-thirty. Was afraid she would give some direction that she would seriously regret later. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: FTP documentation whines

2020-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
artin Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP documentation whines On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:43:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's >unless you folks tell me I am missing something.

Re: Here we go again

2020-04-21 Thread Charles Mills
Right! Your car is out of gas, and so you complain "This darned Chevrolet doesn't run." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: SSN values (was Here we go again)

2020-04-21 Thread Charles Mills
8 numeric plus one alphanumeric would be 10**8 * 36 = 36 followed by 8 zeros = 3.6 billion (American billion, not old UK billion). EINs ("SSNs for companies") are 9 digits also. Do they have their own "space" or do they potentially duplicate SSNs? I don't know. They are written differently but

Re: SSN values (was Here we go again)

2020-04-21 Thread Charles Mills
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SSN values (was Here we go again) H1B get a 6-- SSN prefix. Pretty dumb concept. Now they have a big problem looming. Spouse partners of H1B also get a number with "intelligence " implied. LOL On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 04:54 Charles Mills wrote: > 8 num

Re: FTP documentation whines

2020-04-21 Thread Charles Mills
know to watch for it. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0zc100/mhvrcfs.htm -Sue Shumway On 4/20/2020 1:41 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > RCF. I am so annoyed I can't type. > > Heck, the implementation is one thing! Don't get started. But

Re: Here we go again

2020-04-22 Thread Charles Mills
It's nowhere near as bad as Y2K. Y2K potentially affected just about everything. Everything with a date calculation. Everything that accepted or printed a date. Far fewer programs process SSN's. Anecdotally, from personal experience, I cannot tell you how many programs I have written that involved

Re: Here we go again;

2020-04-22 Thread Charles Mills
Faulty logic there. A byte here and byte there and pretty soon you have to buy ANOTHER unit of DASD. It costs the same empty or full, but if it gets nearly full you have to pay for another. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Question on dynamic concatenation

2020-04-22 Thread Charles Mills
I could solve this by experimentation but it would take a bunch of work. I am hoping someone here knows the answer. Under dynamic concatenation (https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r 4.ieaa800/concat.htm) it says "The name associated with the concatenated grou

Re: Question on dynamic concatenation

2020-04-22 Thread Charles Mills
fails. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: IARST64 problem

2020-04-23 Thread Charles Mills
> There are also possibilities that the switch from amode 31 to amode 64 was > not preceded by making sure to zero the high halves of all relevant > registers (whatever those registers might be). LLGT(R) is your friend. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [m

ENF 61 for capping?

2020-04-23 Thread Charles Mills
If an LPAR that were soft-capped by PR/SM had capping "kick in"* would an ENF 61 WLMENF61_CAPACITY_CHANGE be generated? *I mean for example if an LPAR were soft-capped at 50 MSU/hour, and a single short job consumed 200 MSU, pushing the R4HA over 50, and causing the LPAR to be capped at 50 MSU for

Re: Persuading SDSF to leave output in the output queue a while longer

2020-04-23 Thread Charles Mills
Search your console log for output like this (this is Dallas): $HASP249 COMMAND RECEIVED FROM AUTO COMMAND ID=0007 204 $OS(1-) $HASP003 RC=(52),O 205 $HASP003 RC=(52),O S(1-) - NO SELECTAB

Re: Vector Packed Decimal instructions experiences

2020-04-23 Thread Charles Mills
I believe the Enterprise COBOL 6 compiler generates code that takes advantage, assuming ARCH(12) is specified. If you are *not* specifying ARCH(nn) where 'nn' is the architecture level of your oldest machine (don't forget DR!) then you are leaving MSU's on the table. The ARCH(nn) level is two l

Re: Vector Packed Decimal instructions experiences

2020-04-24 Thread Charles Mills
> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 21:09, Charles Mills wrote: > > > > I believe the Enterprise COBOL 6 compiler generates code that takes > advantage, assuming ARCH(12) is specified. > > > > If you are *not* specifying ARCH(nn) where 'nn' is the architecture

Re: Cobol

2020-04-25 Thread Charles Mills
Funny, isn’t it? COBOL (née 1959) is 61 years old. It’s a very old language. C (née 1972) is 48 years old. It’s a modern language. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
The question and the subject do not seem to go together. Shorts are 16 bits; long and long ints are 32 bits on most modern C compilers. As @John says, statements that "don't matter" go away. If you set len and then do not use it, the compiler is free to disregard the setting. Try the volatile at

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
+1 Or RTFKC: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1 .cbclx01/zos_supporting_ansi_iso_standards.htm Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of retired mainframer Sent: Sunday, April 2

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
half Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 12:58:57 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >+1 > >Or RTFKC: >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
I think both are correct, and in my experience I have seen the function much more than the operator. https://www.educative.io/edpresso/what-is-the-sizeof-function-in-c Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley,

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
https://www.quora.com/How-is-sizeof-an-operator-but-not-a-function-Can-you-g ive-source-code-for-it I guess it's an operator but it sure as heck looks like a function. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ma

Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes

2020-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
V.UA.EDU Subject: Re: XL C\C ++ sizeof of datatypes On Apr 27, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > I guess it's an operator but it sure as heck looks like a function. > > If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... > The distinction is that sizeof is calculat

Re: C

2020-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
Absolutely it was true. The printer could release the Mux channel while it advanced the carriage. This was the old days. Not a lot of intelligence in a printer. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin

Re: Here we go again

2020-04-29 Thread Charles Mills
PP 5740-CB1 RELEASE 2.4 IBM OS/VS COBOL JULY 1, 1982 19.03.21 DATE APR 29,1920 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: LzLabs

2020-05-01 Thread Charles Mills
Interesting. Thanks. Similar issues here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Dev._Corp._v._Borland_Int%27l,_Inc. I remember that one well. Would seem to say that the interface is not protectable, only the implementation thereof. No national precedent because SCOTUS did not really rule. Charles

Re: LzLabs

2020-05-01 Thread Charles Mills
They could, trivially. (Well, FSVO "trivially." A bunch of lawyer time, but no rocket science.) They choose not to. I do not speak for IBM, of course, but I would guess that they view keeping the MVS API's close to the vest constitutes a strategic corporate asset and competitive advantage. Cha

Re: Mainframe user ID length

2020-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
> You talk about authenticating with a certificate, but how would permissions work in that case? FWIW, authentication ("signing on") and authorization ("permissions") are separate issues. RACF (and its sisters) do both, so it is easy to run them together, but they are separate issues.* You are cor

Re: LzLabs

2020-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
Google says 13 hours 1200 km Copenhagen to Zurich. Copenhagen is not the most convenient starting point for a drive across Europe -- other parts of Denmark are closer. About 10.5 hours from the Danish border. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MA

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
+1 Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily overloaded, whi

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
+1 on the name. I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as "East Bay Mud." Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >+1 on the name. > >I read an article on br

Re: SPF/SE.... out of business?

2021-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
That version supports German apparently. Also https://vetusware.com/manufacturer/Command%20Technology/?author=271 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 1:39 PM To: IBM-MA

Re: And the survey says...

2021-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
Mine will not be the only vote that you get for Tom Brennan's Vista. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: And the survey says

Re: And the survey says...

2021-04-29 Thread Charles Mills
> Would you please elaborate on what Hummingbird does / doesn't do that make > you loath it as a sysprog? I don't have any stake in this game but I kind of suspect the best 3270 emulator in the world is the one I am used to; and conversely, the worst 3270 emulator in the world is any other th

Re: And the survey says...

2021-04-29 Thread Charles Mills
> screenshot-as-text is the $FeatureX apparently absent > from the $EmulatorY modally favored in this thread Below is from Vista. Is this not what you want. === == == === == === ===

Re: And the survey says...

2021-04-29 Thread Charles Mills
Agreed all around. I suspect the Windows screen capture is not visible to or modifiable by the application. Yeah, a "grab all" would be nice. For doc purposes, I wish Tom could do an RTF format copy that would preserve text colors, but they are easy enough to "fake back" while doing the doc. Vi

Re: Meta languages [was: RE: Assembler Language Programming for IBM System z Servers]

2021-04-29 Thread Charles Mills
Linda Chui Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Meta languages [was: RE: Assembler Language Programming for IBM System z Servers] On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:27:06 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >On 6/04/2021 9:53 pm, Charles Mills wrote: >>> You don

Re: And the survey says...

2021-04-30 Thread Charles Mills
Here's an example of a block copy in Vista. What's a linear copy? You mean, without regard to line endings? No, I don't think so. You could certainly use your favorite stream-oriented editor to remove the line endings. Menu Utilities Compilers O ---

Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

2021-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
DEBUG xxx where xxx is documented in the Comm Server IP U/G & Commands manual. DEBUG BAS is a good first shot. The only problem is that is many cases FTP does not process the DEBUG command until after it has attempted session setup, which is often where a problem occurs. To overcome that: 1. D

Re: And the survey says...

2021-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
> Is there a possibility of a separate IND$FILE client with all the In the late 1980's/very early 1990's Spectrum Concepts (XCOM 6.2) had a product called IND$VTAM which was an IND$FILE that ran outside of TSO, on its own SNA session. I have forgotten the exact details, but I remember its existe

Re: IBM snew DOC Web SIte

2021-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
It's true. IBM certainly has the skills and resources to do this well. Why do they keep doing it so badly? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 5:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

2021-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
That is consistent with my impression. In non-passive (non FW Friendly) mode, counterintuitively the server is sometimes initiating a connection TO the client. PASV (FWFRIENDLY) mode eliminates that counterintuitive protocol, and makes things easier relative to a firewall. Hence the name, Firew

Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

2021-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape On Mon, 3 May 2021 06:40:49 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >That is consistent with my impression. > >In non-passive (non FW Friendly) mode, counterintuitively the server is >sometimes initiating a connection TO the client. PASV (FWFRIEN

Re: Now it's easier to find stuff on the CBT Tape

2021-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
Love it or hate it, I just do not see it going away. I am not defending it, just observing it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subj

Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
I have been seeing intermittent FTP failures in a particular environment and when they occurred I was always up to my butt in some other mess of alligators so I just moved on from the FTP problem at the time. Yesterday and today I set out to try to nail it down and I am looking for help in understa

Re: DISPLAY VTAM commands from TSO CONSOLE

2021-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
+1 to both suggestions. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DISPLAY VTAM commands from TSO CONSOLE Program in a delay.

Re: DISPLAY VTAM commands from TSO CONSOLE

2021-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
Can you post your code with CART and a two-second delay? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Sims Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DISPLAY VTAM commands from TSO

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
gle signon. On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 4:13 AM Charles Mills wrote: > I have been seeing intermittent FTP failures in a particular environment > and > when they occurred I was always up to my butt in some other mess of > alligators so I just moved on from the FTP problem at the time. Yeste

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
] On Behalf Of Arthur Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem On 5 May 2021 11:13:21 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<0ceb01d741da$50264400$f072cc00$@mcn.org>) charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills)

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
ipedia.org/wiki/Registered_port Ports 0–1023 – system or well-known ports Ports 1024–49151 – user or registered ports Ports 49152–65535 – dynamic / private / ephemeral ports Bill On Wed, 5 May 2021 15:25:33 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >As far as I know we are not running WAS or any SSO produ

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
Thu, 6 May 2021 08:54:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Yup! The answer from Dallas is > >http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.DSN01.PUBLIC.SHTML(BLKPORTS)' > >I think that is a public document. If it's n

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
., which would be confusing to read. For all I know, you may have used the percent27 in the link in your post, which is being rendered as a single quote. What is the "PORT list" you mentioned? Is this something that gets you around the problem? Bill On Thu, 6 May 2021 08:54:18 -0700, Cha

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
st" you mentioned? Is this something that gets you around > the problem? > > Bill > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 08:54:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >> Yup! The answer from Dallas is >> >> http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.DSN01.PUBLIC.SHTML(BLKPORTS)&#

Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem

2021-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
Subject: Re: Looking for help understanding an FTP problem On Thu, 6 May 2021 08:54:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Yup! The answer from Dallas is > >http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.DSN01.PUBLIC.SHTML(BLKPORTS)'> [RFC >1738; gil] > >I think that is a public doc

Re: IBM Documentation black hole.

2021-05-07 Thread Charles Mills
I always thought of mhvrcfs as where "core MVS" documentation comments go: the MHV part is "mid-Hudson Valley." But I asked somewhere (here? Someone at IBM?) where to send a comment relative to some non "core" product (COBOL?) and was told that mhvrcfs was appropriate. Charles -Original Mess

Re: 3270 emulator / telnet with encryption

2021-05-07 Thread Charles Mills
When I moved Eastern to Western US many moons ago it seemed to me as if in the East I had always heard the acronyms spelled out: D-O-S, C-I-C-S; but that in the West I heard "doss" and "kicks." DASD is always pronounced, isn't it? Does anyone ever say D-A-S-D? Db2 on the other hand is always sp

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
Can I get my CICS on Route 66? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Sun, 9

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
So I guess it's not true what Paul Revere and the Raiders sang? CICS just keep getting' harder to find Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.E

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. Charles -Original Message-

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-10 Thread Charles Mills
In American idiom "fanny" is completely acceptable slang for one's bottom. In Australian slang it is an offensive term for the female private anatomy. I was in a class -- I think it was at ASG -- when the instructor said "what do you say? Should we take a break now?" and an American woman in the c

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
mes to pass. -Joseph Sobran, 2001-07-05 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 23:18 It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town."

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

2021-05-11 Thread Charles Mills
And that is why, if a hacker installs a root kit on your server, you are really screwed. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: COBOL Translator name ("TNAME") ECBL, CBL370, etc

2021-05-12 Thread Charles Mills
I am not familiar with codes such as ECBL or CBL370. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL Translator name ("TNAME") ECB

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