Re: IBM APAR Names

Even before SES, the service methodology using, e.g., AUX files, made life easier. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-re

Re: Kinda fun

I found that it took less time to punch my own programs than to have the keypunch operators do it; as you noted, errors. The same applies to typing once I had access to FORMAT and, later, SCRIPT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי

Re: Kinda fun

It is true that the online reader on the 7090 and 7094 could not read all 80 columns, but how many shops used them as opposed to an offline 1401, a 7040 or a 7044? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM M

Re: Kinda fun

The 129 was certainly better than the 029 in some respects, but it didn't allow you to hold one card while duplicating to add or delete a column. Of course, we weren't supposed to do that anyway. People were using sequence numbers for editing before SPF. Dropped decks is but one of several reas

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

David Crayford Wrote: If you intend to set up zCX for high availability, it would involve running zCX instances on different LPARs. To achieve this, you'll likely need Docker Swarm for creating a cluster that operates across multiple nodes. While OpenShift (Kubernetes) is a more advanced option,

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

On 8/11/2023 8:48 pm, Jousma, David wrote: Thanks Timothy. Yep found all that, have the instance up and working just fine it’s the peer to peer networking that is not working. The fine folks at Rocket indicate that their software is picking up the internal container IP, and not using the Host I

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

Dave Jousma wrote: >Thanks Timothy. Yep found all that, have the instance up and working just fine >it’s the peer to peer networking that is not working. The fine folks at >Rocket indicate that their software is picking up the internal container IP, >and not using the Host IP causing the pro

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

> On 8 Nov 2023, at 9:36 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > Dave Jousma wrote: > >> Thanks Timothy. Yep found all that, have the instance up and working just >> fine > >> it’s the peer to peer networking that is not working. The fine folks at > >> Rocket indicate that their software is picking

SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

Good morning! I am trying to do what I thought was a simple SORT Copy function to create some commands from an input file, but I am being thwarted by embedded blanks in my line. Here is the input (Sorry for the formatting issues, I am not sure how to post fixed-space text): +1+

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kinda fun

Yup, 5 80-column cards to boot an NCR Century 200. Kinda wish I still had a set of them. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael Oujesky Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 6:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kinda fun Boot

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kinda fun

Hey Bob, Parity bits were even, odd, or none. Echo on or off, 1 or 2 stop bits, and the one you're forgetting the name thereof was the duplex, single or double. I don't remember which is which, but one of them (single I think) required local echo so you could see what was being keyed. Rex -

Re: Kinda fun

Bob Bridges wrote about his history with keypunches. Mine started in 1965, when I was four. My dad was working on his first concordance, of Beowulf, and my mom was going to do the data entry of the text. (They'd met in the 50s when he was working for a CIA front doing translation and his typist

Re: Kinda fun

Classification: Confidential Keypunches persisted at University of Waterloo until the early 80s, not because the U was backward, but because ONE prof (not my dad!) insisted on using them. IIRC the I/O operators (remember them?) tried various stunts, like "accidentally" dropping his box of card

Re: Kinda fun

Sure. And as my dad used to tell me, "Sure, you can do it; but if you make a mistake I'll get mad at you, but if I do it myself and make a mistake, I'll only be mad at myself". So I like coding my own statements, even aside from it being quicker. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 3

Re: Kinda fun

Ok, Shmuel, I'm curious. Dropped decks are the only reason I ever heard, back when I was a $HASP operator. What's the more important reason? (Mostly when customers brought huge decks of cards, two or three or four boxes sometimes, each card was a single row of a database, so the order didn't nec

Re: Kinda fun

Yes!, that's it. Thanks. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every now and then go away, have a little relaxation, for when you come back to your work your judgment will be surer. Go some distance away because then the work appears smaller and more of it can be taken in

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kinda fun

Full or half duplex, not single or double. That was the parity bit in my brain that got flipped. 😊 Thanks, Phil. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 8:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNA

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

David, I do have SWARM active, and both containers are (or were) connected. Ive tried creating an overlay network, and connecting the container to it, but still no luck. In fact, I couldn’t even reach RTE from my browser to get a 3270 session.I just don’t have enough personal experience t

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

Since listserv emails are always plain-text (well, at least in my experience), there's no way for you to control the font used at the other end. All you can send are the text characters; the recipient controls what font is used for plain-text emails. For just the reasons you're thinking of I t

Re: Kinda fun

One great thing about punched cards (and printed paper, and even such things as paper tape) is that they don't suffer degaussing or other such high-tech ailments. (They have their own /different/ problems.) Cards and printed paper are even human readable. Wow. Let's hear it for low tech and old

Re: Kinda fun

Reminds me of an old tagline: /* The more sophisticated the technology, the more vulnerable it is to primitive attack. People often overlook the obvious. -Dr Who, 1978 */ And also, come to think of it: /* It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -Sun S

Re: Kinda fun

Let's see, how many nanoseconds is that again? (Sorry, I'll go sit in a corner now.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Men know what they want. If they're in a bicycle store, they ask the question, "which one is the best?" And that's the one they want. If they are i

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

>> Here is my code...can someone help me to get rid of the spaces in the name, >> before the ( value? Don, You are complicating a simple request. First build Only the fields you need, and you can add the static characters using LEAD on the SQZ operator. Also, you don't have to get a seqn

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

I'm getting the distinct impression that DFSORT is becoming a Swiss Army knife for the systems programmer, much like a SAS DATA step is. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:04 AM Sri h Kolusu wrote: > >> Here is my code...can someone help me to get rid of the spaces in the > name, before the ( value? >

Re: Kinda fun

Sequence numbers could also be used for implementing a new release of vendor software that had been customized by in-house modifications. By comparing the old/new/in-house code you could identify which programs needed no conversion effort. which programs could be automatically adapted to the n

Re: Kinda fun

Anyone else recall…. Have the HASP operator read your JOB Deck, Walking over to the printer to collect your output Waiting for the output, and setting your card deck on the printer The printer running out of paper and the hood rises up Your card deck is spilled all over the floor Thanks …….Camer

Re: Kinda fun

I'm trying to remember, 'cause I was a $HASP operator, briefly, back in college. Let's see, that was a drum printer (not a chain). But why would the hood be pushed up when it ran out of paper? I can't picture what would be going on there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-

Re: Kinda fun

A hundred years ago, we had the IBM 1403 line printers. When the box of paper ran out, the printer hood automatically raised and we would kick the empty box out and drop in a new full box. Press the close hood button, and then the printer would continue printing. Maybe the was a printer online but

Re: Kinda fun

1401N1 printer (the big beast) raised its hood automatically when it ran out of paper, no way to turn off that behavior. NEVER put your coffee cup on top of that printer!! Peter From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 10:52 AM To: IBM-MA

Re: Kinda fun

And the trip to the TAB sorter to reconstruct the deck. Michael At 09:37 AM 11/8/2023, Cameron Conacher wrote: Anyone else recall…. Have the HASP operator read your JOB Deck, Walking over to the printer to collect your output Waiting for the output, and setting your card deck on the printer Th

Re: Kinda fun

Apologies, 1403N1, not 1401 From: Farley, Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 10:59 AM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: RE: Kinda fun 1401N1 printer (the big beast) raised its hood automatically when it ran out of paper, no way to turn off that behavior. NEVER put your coffee cu

Re: Kinda fun

IEBUPDTE updates based on sequence number in column 73-80. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=examples-example-6-create-update-library-member On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 8:39 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > > Ok, Shmuel, I'm curious. Dropped decks are the only reason I ever heard, > back when I was

Re: Kinda fun

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 09:10:54 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: > >Bob, your musing about communications parameters sounds like full/half duplex. > Mind the difference between half duplex and local echo. The former used only a single current loop and pressing a key during output caused garbled output an

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

Thanks for the tip, Kolusu; it worked great! Now, I was trying to create a second command file, without that last comma and field. For example, the statements you gave me created -UTL COPY,TABLE,B400-TRANHIST(0003),HST0400A and for the second file, I need -RPT FIELD,TABLE,B400-TRANHIST(0003) Ho

Re: Kinda fun

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:05:04 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >IEBUPDTE updates based on sequence number in column 73-80. >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=examples-example-6-create-update-library-member > Nowadays there are better tools.

Re: Kinda fun

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 12:07:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I found that it took less time to punch my own programs than to have the >keypunch operators do it; as you noted, errors. > At times the bottleneck is the number of available keypunches and the dedicated keypunch operators have higher thro

Re: Kinda fun

Yep. (Late 70s) That's what we used when we modified JES2 and/or added our own commands to it. IEBUPDTE was a hoot. In college in the 70s we used the punch-card punchouts as "briefcase filler" when playing jokes on each other in the computer lab. We spent way too much time in the lab (an IBM 11

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

Well, I found that I could not release 2 records into the Copy from INREC. So here is what I did to produce all the output. Kolusu, if you have an easier way, I would be happy to learn and adapt! This is what I did to get what I needed: //SYSINDD * OPTION COPY

Re: Kinda fun

Are we violating the "no reminiscing" rule? What's the latest that people still used punched cards and/or paper tape? In the 80's I worked at a photofinishing plant that still used punched cards and paper tape as part of the processing work flow. Punched cards were put in the processing envelo

Re: Kinda fun

I have very vague recollections of 51 column punch cards supporting bank charge cards in the mid seventies. (ChargeEx I think) As a Waterloo coop student, I remember feeding boxes and boxes of these into a special card reader during overnight batch processing runs. I think these were mostly from

Re: Kinda fun

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:03:28 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >Are we violating the "no reminiscing" rule? > Probably. >What's the latest that people still used punched cards and/or paper tape? > I recall voting, i believe in the current century, on punched cards that appeared to be conventional 80

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

>> In total, I am trying to create three output files: 1. The command file with UTL COPY (which I have) 2. The command file with RPT FIELD 3. The original input file. Don, It is quite simple. Here is a sample job that will give you the desired results. I assumed that your input has an LRECL=1

Re: Kinda fun

Sparkler Filters using IBM 402 in 2010 with no migration plan. https://ibm-1401.info/402.html On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 11:28 AM Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:03:28 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: > > >Are we violating the "no reminis

Re: Kinda fun

And the discussions about whether each person needed a 3270 terminal at their desk or whether a room of shared terminals were sufficient. Abd the running of all the coax through the ceiings. Michael At 10:30 AM 11/8/2023, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 12:07:14 +, Seymour J M

Re: IBM APAR Names

Shmuel wrote: >SES is a tools that fills the same nicje in the VM ecology as SMP does >in the MVS ecology. Right, I said that. Hence my confusion about what point you were making. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Kinda fun

Products from UCC (at least, UCC7 and UCC11) came in source form with line numbers. Fixes came in IEBUPDTE form to insert lines by line number. When a new release came out, they would tell you which programs were renumbered so you would know which local mods you had to rework. In 1984, we were

Re: SORT Help with JFY and SQZ

Kolusu, thanks...this gave me just what I needed in those files! Have a wonder-filled day! Don -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-M

Re: Kinda fun

Stuart Holland wrote, in part: >Also, the cards only had the punches - no text across the top. That was called "interpreting" cards, IIRC. I forget whether there was a machine to do this (not that a site with no more punches or readers would have had one!), but I bet others here will remember.

Re: IBM APAR Names

Whoops! Somehow I missed the last sentence of the paragraph. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 1:18 PM To: IB

Re: Kinda fun

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 13:46:09 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: >Stuart Holland wrote, in part: >>Also, the cards only had the punches - no text across the top. > >That was called "interpreting" cards, IIRC. I forget whether there was a >machine to do this (not that a site with no more punches or reade

Re: Kinda fun

Yes, at one time I could read a certain amount of the punches. I knew others that could read punch cards and find bad source and fix it. I never got that good. There was an Interpreter that was a big box that you could feed cards to and it would print across the top, about 50 of the 80 column

Re: Kinda fun

IBM 550 Numerical Interpreter and IBM 557 Alphabetic Interpreter. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 1:46 PM T

Re: Kinda fun

I never used a 3270 in my early career (1975-78). I joined IBM in 1978 and we still used punch cards built on an 029 card punch. Customers generally got the technology before IBM internal. In a team of 20 we had a handful of Series 1 emulating a 3270 and you had to book a 30 minute session to inpu

Re: IBM APAR Names

Shmuel wrote: >Whoops! Somehow I missed the last sentence of the paragraph. Ah hah! Hence the confusion. Glad we straightened that out. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@li

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

> ... instead of hacking together solutions that don’t work? Say that with a straight face to the companies building or relying on WireGuard and see what happens. On Wednesday, November 8th, 2023 at 19:30, David Crayford wrote: > > On 8 Nov 2023, at 9:36 pm, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 at 21:51, kekronbekron < 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > ... instead of hacking together solutions that don’t work? > > Say that with a straight face to the companies building or relying on > WireGuard and see what happens. > Do the zArch crypto instr

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

It will indeed be a good day for the mainframe ecosystem if wg fully works on Z. I don't know what portion of it works today; will have to try building in linux/s390x. On Thursday, November 9th, 2023 at 10:01, Tony Harminc wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 at 21:51, kekronbekron < > 02dee3fcae3

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

You misunderstood my point. I'm not bashing WireGuard. I'm sure it's a brilliant product and all power to them. My point is that using it to hack a clustering solution seems a bit odd if you have Docker Swarm to create a multi-host network using the overlay protocol. I know nothing about WG, but I

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

I didn't misunderstand. It's a bit alarming that you'd say something is hacky without knowing anything about it... just because it's something new to you vs something you're familiar with. In your perspective, using wg for docker connectivity is hacky. I don't suppose you looked up how many peop

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

Seeing as you're the expert here can you provide some links where people are using WireGuard to run a HA cluster in Docker without using Swarm? Like I said, I'm not a WG expert but I'm always happy to be enlightened :) On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:33 PM kekronbekron < 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@li

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

I'm not an expert in many/most things, and don't have time to look up arbitrary things. Just responded to a statement that 'a tech one doesn't know is automatically hacky' is bizzare. Pretty sure you know how to enlighten yourself. On Thursday, November 9th, 2023 at 11:14, David Crayford wro

Re: Anyone with zCX docker hands on?

Tony Harminc wrote: >Do the zArch crypto instructions support the crypto operations used by >Wireguard? I see PCKMO supports Curve25519 for key exchange, but I'm not >seeing any of the others. Does the apparent high performance of the >symmetric crypto running on a CP or specialty engine outdo the