I'm not an expert in many/most things, and don't have time to look up arbitrary 
things.
Just responded to a statement that 'a tech one doesn't know is automatically 
hacky' is bizzare.
Pretty sure you know how to enlighten yourself.



On Thursday, November 9th, 2023 at 11:14, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


> Seeing as you're the expert here can you provide some links where people
> are using WireGuard to run a HA cluster in Docker without using Swarm? Like
> I said, I'm not a WG expert but I'm always happy to be enlightened :)
> 
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:33 PM kekronbekron <
> 000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> > I didn't misunderstand. It's a bit alarming that you'd say something is
> > hacky without knowing anything about it... just because it's something new
> > to you vs something you're familiar with.
> > In your perspective, using wg for docker connectivity is hacky. I don't
> > suppose you looked up how many people combine these two.
> > There's a tinge of something being right because you're doing it that way,
> > but I may be wrong though.
> > I'm a fan of Swarm too, especially suggesting its consideration before
> > thinking about kubernetes.
> > 
> > On Thursday, November 9th, 2023 at 10:29, David Crayford <
> > dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > You misunderstood my point. I'm not bashing WireGuard. I'm sure it's a
> > > brilliant product and all power to them. My point is that using it to
> > > hack
> > > a clustering solution seems a bit odd if you have Docker Swarm to create
> > > a
> > > multi-host network using the overlay protocol. I know nothing about WG,
> > > but
> > > I use Docker every day.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 10:51 AM kekronbekron <
> > > 000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > ... instead of hacking together solutions that don’t work?
> > > > 
> > > > Say that with a straight face to the companies building or relying on
> > > > WireGuard and see what happens.
> > > > 
> > > > On Wednesday, November 8th, 2023 at 19:30, David Crayford <
> > > > dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > On 8 Nov 2023, at 9:36 pm, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dave Jousma wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks Timothy. Yep found all that, have the instance up and
> > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > just fine
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > it’s the peer to peer networking that is not working. The fine
> > > > > > > folks
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Rocket indicate that their software is picking up the internal
> > > > > > > container IP,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > and not using the Host IP causing the problem. They are working
> > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > their own
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > testing, and believe that docker overlay networking can resolve
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OK, it’s interesting the software works that way.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What software are you referring to, Docker? That’s fundamental to how
> > > > > Docker networking works. Publishing ports using “-p <portnum>”
> > > > > doesn’t make
> > > > > the services discoverable in docker containers. You meed overlay
> > > > > networking. TE Web is a typical clustering architecture using
> > > > > active/passive HA. You will also find that you can not run curl from
> > > > > within
> > > > > a Docker image. Most docker containers are built to take up as small
> > > > > a
> > > > > footprint as necessary so utilities like curl are not installed and
> > > > > you
> > > > > cannot instal them using apt if security keys are not enabled, which
> > > > > is
> > > > > best practice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > (“Thinking out loud...”) Could you run a “bigger” Linux container
> > > > > > image that includes a VPN tunnel (such as WireGuard) to connect
> > > > > > these two
> > > > > > peers with one another to work around the issue?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why not just use a Docker clustering such as swarm instead of hacking
> > > > > together solutions that don’t work?
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