BCPii retcode 3841

I'm trying to run a sample from the manual, nothing sophisticated: ListType= HWI_LIST_CPCS; Address BCPII "HWILIST retcode ConnectionToken ListType AnswerArea. DiagArea." and I get retcode = F01 (3841 dec). The manual say HWI_AUTH_FAILURE, the program does not reside in APF-authorized library.

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

If you are truly interested in learning System z assembler, then one resource you could use is the late John Ehrman's book 'Assembler Programming for IBM System z Servers' - a quick google search should find it for you. The reason I am posting this is to mention some macros detailed in Appendix

Re: BCPii retcode 3841

Try adding the program to the AUTHTSF section of IKJPRMxx. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: יום ג 05 ספטמבר 2023 11:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: BCPii retcode 3841 I'm trying to run a sample from the manual, not

Re: BCPii retcode 3841

Well, I just tried and still same error code. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.09.2023 o 10:25, Gadi Ben-Avi pisze: Try adding the program to the AUTHTSF section of IKJPRMxx. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent

Re: BCPii retcode 3841

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Re: BCPii retcode 3841

update I should add to AUTHTSF another name: HWIC1TRX Now it works... well... it still doesn't work, but it is no longer 3841 return code. :-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.09.2023 o 10:25, Gadi Ben-Avi pisze: Try adding the program to the AUTHTSF section of IKJPRMxx. Gadi --

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Equating college and systems programming is not really logical. I'm not aware of any colleges that "teach" how to be a systems programmer. I think some may have tried, but I doubt it would be a big draw. I have a PhD, but I didn't learn to write assembler in college, at least not any that wou

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Personal attacks are really not warranted. I think we can discuss our systems programming beliefs without attacking someone. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listse

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

It's more complicated than that. Although I would agree that if an LPAR has only a single zIIP, likely SMT would be a good idea. But B is not true for intervals that people usually consider when looking at utilization levels because at the level of dispatch intervals, it's much more likely there

Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

I drove 1800 miles over the long weekend, and now own a real live honest-to-goodness 3279 terminal. It's in somewhat rough shape, and in particular is missing the front bezel entirely. Does anyone around here know where I might be able to find one? The 3279 is pretty rare these days, so I won't be

Re: LOCASCB AR Mode

Ed Thanks you are correct was in bed when I saw the email Just looked at the code had ASCENV=AR > On Sep 4, 2023, at 11:39 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote: > > I don’t know if used sysstate macro but let me check i would assume the > default value is primary > >>> On Sep 4, 2023, at 11:33 PM,

Re: LOCASCB AR Mode

Joe R wrote Can someone explain to me why the last instruction in the LOCASCB MACRO is SAC X'200' Because one of the first instructions is SAC 0 and you told LOCASCB via SYSSTATE that you are in AR-mode and LOCASCB does not run in AR mode, so it switched out of AR mode before branching to the

Re: LOCASCB AR Mode

Peter My fault the code is great didn’t remembet having a sysstate ascenv=AR most macros Don’t take you out of AR and back they just say you cannt use it in AR Thank you > On Sep 4, 2023, at 11:39 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote: > > I don’t know if used sysstate macro but let me check i would

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

The current situation sounds like SMT-2 should only be used if you a) have a single zIIP or b) are running your zIIPs consistently 100% busy and for b) you need to turn it off when the workload reduces? I don't think that that is a correct conclusion. It is far more complicated than thinking th

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

Remind me, Scott (or anybody): Does switching modes cause a WLM reset? Might not be something you want to do throughout the day – if so. Thanks, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Scott Chapman <03fffd029d68-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: Tuesday, 5 September 202

Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2

And “100% busy” is the wrong criterion – if you want your system to be performant. Cheers, Martin From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Relson Date: Tuesday, 5 September 2023 at 13:13 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Switching between SMT-1 and SMT-2 The

Re: SMF Extract Using to find the user id who deleted datasets

Classification: Confidential SMF type 17 records I strongly suggest the DAF program form the CBT tape. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sathish Kumar Sent: Monday, September 4, 2023 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SMF Extract Using

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Hey, look at that! I never knew why the famous IEFBR14 was so named; now I guess maybe I do, though I won't be guessing after I look up the BR instruction). --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The historic case against miracles...consists of calling miracles impossibl

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Please do not use this subject heading, Please change it to what you are talking about. On 2023-09-05 22:53, Bob Bridges wrote: Hey, look at that! I never knew why the famous IEFBR14 was so named; now I guess maybe I do, though I won't be guessing after I look up the BR instruction). ---

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

I heard that IEFBR14 had the highest "bug rate" per line of code 1) There was no CSECT statement 2) It was not reentrant 3) It did not clear R15 prior to exit 4) It was missing an end statement I was told this over 40 years ago... and may not be true On Tue, 5 Sept 2023 at 13:53, Bob Bridges w

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Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Yes, we send a bug report way back in the 1960's at Shell Oil in Melbourne. We used COND codes a lot, and it mucked everything up! Clem Colin Paice wrote: I heard that IEFBR14 had the highest "bug rate" per line of code 1) There was no CSECT statement 2) It was not reentrant 3) It did not cl

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Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

How much demand is there for IBM mainframe Assembler programmers? Ray Mullin said this: I'll be honest - it's getting smaller and smaller. It's become a niche, mainly for system tools ISVs. Metal C is where the invisible hand of IBM is pushing the industry. Having said that… There

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Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

Jay, Have you got a 3174 also? I wrote code in 1981 that invoked GDDM/PGF to write to 3279s. It was fun to see it display pie charts, bar graphs, etc. Very cool for the times. Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. ---

Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

I do! And two P/390s and two P/370s for it to talk to. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 8:53 AM Mike Shaw wrote: > Jay, > > Have you got a 3174 also? > > I wrote code in 1981 that invoked GDDM/PGF to write to 3279s. It was fun to > see it display pie charts, bar graphs, etc. Very cool for the times. > > M

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

I also think that what many of us seem to forget is that skills need to be used to stay sharp and to learn new things in that field. If you are not doing Assembler a fair amount of time, the skill dulls. Some of the worse assembler I have ever seen was written by people who had not written it in

Re: HMC Splash screen

Never mind we found where to change it! Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, September 5th, 2023 at 9:42 AM, rpinion865 <042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > We would like to change the DR HMC splash screen. How can this be don

Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

On 9/5/23 8:56 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: I do! And two P/390s and two P/370s for it to talk to. Does that mean that you also have the associated B&T cards to connect said P/390s / P370s to the 3174? I'd be very interested reading an article about and pictures of such a setup. Even if it's an

Re: HMC Splash screen

Never seen an option to do thatwhere is it? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of rpinion865 Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC Splash screen Never mind we found where to change it! Sent with Proto

Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

One of my P/390s has the bus and tag hardware and a 3174-11L connected. (Well, technically they're R/390s and RS/370s, but still...) I also have a 3174-63R talking via Token Ring. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:10 AM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 9/5/23 8:56

Re: HMC Splash screen

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Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Very little from what I see. What little there is is stupid stuff like reverse engineering code so that the client can rewrite it in JAVA or whatever the language of the day is. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023, 6:48 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > How much demand i

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Must have missed this. > I'll be honest - it's getting smaller and smaller. It's become a niche, > mainly for system tools ISVs. Metal C is where the invisible hand of IBM is > pushing the industry. And Ray is one of the most respected in the field. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

I was recently contacted by one company who was starting a project to throw out thousands of assembler language programs and replace them with JAVA code all with the aim of modernising his mainframe. The interview went badly when I asked why he thought he had to discard years of development which h

Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

And an Apple ][ as console. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:12 AM Jay Maynard wrote: > > One of my P/390s has the bus and tag hardware and a 3174-11L connected. > (Well, technically they're R/390s and RS/370s, but still...) I also have a > 3174-63R talking via Token Ring. > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:10

Re: Somewhat OT: 3279 front bezel needed

That too! Getting an Apple //e to run VT100 emulation at 19200 BPS turned out to be possible with the right program, but getting it on the machine turned out to be nontrivial. From there, though, it's a matter of plugging it into the 11L's AEA and using tn3270... On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:37 AM Mik

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

It’s a lot easier finding JAVA developers than Assembler programmers. And will only get harder over time. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 10:37 AM, David Elliot wrote: I was recently contacted by one company who was starting a project to throw out thousands of

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

This is quite true. Back in the days of MVS/SE2 (pre SP1) we already had heavy assembly language people (wrote in ALC and conditional assembly day in and day out) say that we were at the point where no one could know all of the system (MVS environment) -- or be Mr. MVS as it were. And we were

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Agree completely. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 9:59 AM, Doug Fuerst wrote: I also think that what many of us seem to forget is that skills need to be used to stay sharp and to learn new things in that field. If you are not doing Assembler a fair amount of t

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

You're right, Tom. That is not a program. Certainly not one that will do what it claims to do. -- Tom Marchant On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >I can't be sure I formatted it properly, but after looking over the >code, I have nothing to say but WTF? :) > > PRI

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

  Hi SMJ, you got me, I took the quote from a CS book :-) On 04/09/2023 17:35, Seymour J Metz wrote: ITYM quotation, and IMHO that quote should be part of the curriculum for any school of CS, cited whenevealmost 50 years agor discussing handles, indirect addressing or pointers. It wouldn't hu

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I doubt it will assemble. And even if it does, the results are unpredictable, other than it will probably ABEND for one reason or another. There are no DCB, OPEN, CLOSE macros while GET and PUT are being used. Me thinks this AI system is confusing a few different assembly languages together

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Why do you doubt it? Is it because you hope it doesn’t? Certainly, one of you assembler geniuses could test it. Like Mullins said, and others mentioned, most companies that run z/OS don’t need assembler programmers. That numbers in the thousands if not ten thousand. Whereas ISV’s who are the li

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Steve, It won't. The first executable statement is missing a comma between operands. Regards, David On 2023-09-05 11:43, Steve Thompson wrote: I doubt it will assemble. And even if it does, the results are unpredictable, other than it will probably ABEND for one reason or another. There

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question. So that cut and paste isn’t a factor. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:02 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Steve, It won't. The first executable statemen

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Bill, I have a better idea. Why don't you and the 2 buddies who helped you modify the IEFUSI fix it? Probably because you don't have the wherewithal (even with 2 helpers). Regards, David On 2023-09-05 12:04, Bill Johnson wrote: Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question. So

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I see 8 errors. There might be more. If you were to correct the missing comma that David pointed out, it would abend. Probably with a S0C1 on the GET. But if those errors were to be corrected and it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. This is what it does when it decides on the specifications f

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

We are all retired. The other 2 went before me. I went in July 2022. You’re an idiot regardless. What are you afraid of? That a computer can do what you do? That your “skills” aren’t all that impressive and can be automated away? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023,

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

My take is that Assembler is just a language and honestly I don’t think its all that hard to learn. What it does require is more understanding of the OS and the ability to setup for calls to other services. The higher languages simply obscure, or encapsulate, those low level services. I use Meta

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

FWIW, I’ve known Ray for as long as I’ve been programming in Assembler. Ray is the man. > > > > You guys know who Ray Mullins is right? > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arc

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Metal C, exactly what Mullins said is replacing assembler. In the end, my contention in the beginning is proving truer by the day. And you’re right, assembler isn’t that hard to learn and not hard to replace, Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:36 PM, Matt Hogstr

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Bill, formatting or not, the program makes no sense. Anyone who has taken even a couple of ASM classes would know the BE ZERO alone makes no sense, branching to a constant F'0'? Good luck. Then the GET "DCB" is a DC fullword instead of a DCB. So that would be fun since GET expects a branch

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Dave always thinks his ideas are “better”. The sign of a narcissist and if you ever interview with or work for this type, get a new job. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:25 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, I h

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

No. You are too lazy to verify that what you copied/pasted matched the source and you want others to make your argument for you? Not me. I've got work to do. -- Tom Marchant On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:04:05 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question. S

TSSINSTX TSSAI

My TSS exit TSSINSTX gets called for the POSTINIT, PASSWORD and PASSPHRASE functions. A segment called $XXX was created to hold an encrypted password or passphrase and the current date. I encrypt by calling CSNBSAE. I take the password (or new password if one exists) and place it in the TSS par

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I spent a bit of time playing with chatGPT to see what it could do.   So did my two sons - one an MS in biotech, the other a PhD in theoretical physics.    We all came to the same conclusion - chatGPT is a very, very good Google search that can filter many different possible 'answers' and come

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Exactly. The instructions, registers, etc. are not that difficult to learn. It's the macros, control blocks, subsystems, interrupts, memory layout, SVC's, (and I could go on and on) that can be the real value in doing ASM programming. If you're going to be a developer, or even installation s

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Concur Dean. Its power is that it can search all of its processed content fast and give a reasonable response that people can read. I think the real threat from AI is bad actors that use that data for nefarious purposes. All tech that we have can be used for good or evil. The problem is th

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Yup. Context is King. People talk about languages like Java, etc. The real question in my opinion is what Runtime? CICS, IMS, WebSphere, … Language is only part of the equation; where it runs is the key. Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Sep 5, 2023, at 10:58, Tom Brennan wrote: > > T

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:20:20 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >You're right, Tom. That is not a program. Certainly not one that will do what >it claims to do. > Mostly right. A private maaclib might make it come closet. Suppose the private GET reads a floating point number from a POSIX descriptor.

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Thank you, Matt. I'm humbled. I keep forgetting how long ago that was. For context - this response was to a specific question regarding learning assembler. Basic assembler programming knowledge is a good thing to have on your resume, because it gives you the insights to how programs work on th

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:34:13 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >[if] it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. > ??? Rather, that appears to be one of the few correct instructions. If R14 hasn't been modified since entry, it returns to caller. SR 15,15 Set return code

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

There's a bit of context that is lost here. I purposely said "invisible hand", playing on the imagery. But just because that's what the owner of the "invisible hand" wants doesn't necessarily mean that's happening. Metal C in a JES2 environment is extremely difficult to implement, which is why

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

GET and PUT use R14, so as Tom Marchant said, if the program managed to get that far it would never return to the OS. On 9/5/2023 10:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:34:13 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: [if] it made it to the BR 14, it would loop. ??? Rather, that appea

IBM download server IP address changes, SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER and HOLDDATA

If you manually download IBM's HOLDDATA file, are a user of SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER, or download Shopz software product or PTF orders, take note of the IP address changes for IBM's download servers: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/7025419 These changes are scheduled for October 20, so do not

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

Hi Ray, You said: "... SAMPLIB(IEEACTRT) ..." Don't you mean SAMPLIB(SMFEXITS) //IEFACTRT? (IEEx is Console-related; IEFx is SMF-related) Regards, David On 2023-09-05 13:23, M. Ray Mullins wrote: There's a bit of context that is lost here. I purposely said "invisible hand", playing on t

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Hi Tom, It looks like ChatGPT is not aware of "Housekeeping". Regards, David On 2023-09-05 13:47, Tom Brennan wrote: GET and PUT use R14, so as Tom Marchant said, if the program managed to get that far it would never return to the OS. On 9/5/2023 10:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

That’s the name in SAMPLIB, interestingly. The source is IEEACTRT, but it’s used to create IEFACTRT. Maybe it was written by console staff decades ago? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2023, at 11:08, David Spiegel > <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > You sa

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Which is a bit strange, because I would expect that every ASM program ChatGPT looked at would have had something for that at the top and bottom, even if it was just ENTRY/EXIT macros or similar. On 9/5/2023 11:10 AM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Tom, It looks like ChatGPT is not aware of "Housekeep

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:27:15 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >Which is a bit strange, because I would expect that every ASM program >ChatGPT looked at would have had something for that at the top and >bottom, even if it was just ENTRY/EXIT macros or similar. > >On 9/5/2023 11:10 AM, David Spiegel wrote:

Re: Free ZOWE Class

Dear Lionel Thanks for the share. Regards, Suresh On Tue, Sep 5, 2023, 5:14 PM Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > Just ran across this - y'all (or some) may be interested: > > Free Zowe course and OMP digital badge from Interskill and the Open > Mainframe Project. Enjoy! > > https://interskill.com/zowe/

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

And so we can now understand that when a paralegal or newly minted attorney uses it to find case law for points and authorities, it will will make them up to match what was being searched for when it prepares a motion it was asked for using the results of the search. And some attorneys got a

Re: HMC Splash screen

To be honest I use to put poems in the Welcome Text window. :-) And HMC name on the background (of course it is also visible in the browser window title) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.09.2023 o 16:21, rpinion865 pisze: You have to logon as an administrator. Select HMC Managem

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Nor does it know how to code instructions. I don't know what this should be, but it isn't adequateor correct: >MAIN C 0NUM1 Check if NUM1 is zero ZERO is not a label on code: > BE ZEROBranch to ZERO if true NUM1 is not a DCB address > GETN

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

ChatGPT could have written the requirement in PL/I, compiled and produced the Assembler listing. The Assembler generated would work, albeit incredibly wordy. It does appear that the PUT macro was confused usage of a PL/I PUT statement. No conversion attempted to get from full word to a displayabl

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Quiet!! ChatGPT does this on purpose so it can read responses and get ASM training from us puny humans :) On 9/5/2023 1:06 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: Nor does it know how to code instructions. I don't know what this should be, but it isn't adequateor correct: MAIN C 0NUM1 Che

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 12:58 TB> The instructions, registers, etc. are not that difficult to learn. It's the macros, control blocks, subsystems, interrupts, memory layout, SVC's, (and I could go

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Can't remember whether I read about it here or somewhere else, but apparently there was a recent episode in which a lawyer got an AI machine to write a legal brief for him. It looked impressive, but it turned out the precedents the brief cited didn't exist; the AI made them up. The judge fined

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

Nutz, I gave away that the code might assemble and run under VSE Oh the horrors of it all!! Does this mean that Person of Interest is really true? ;-) Steve Thompson On 9/5/2023 4:45 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Quiet!! ChatGPT does this on purpose so it can read responses and get ASM trainin

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/06/08/lawyer-used-chatgpt-in-court-and-cited-fake-cases-a-judge-is-considering-sanctions/ On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 4:03 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > > Can't remember whether I read about it here or somewhere else, but apparently > there was a recent episo

Legal Problems with ChatGPT [Was Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.]

Here is a take-off on the forbes article which is from the Legal Ethics Law 360 email list (I also get the transportation law stuff too): Insurance Coverage For ChatGPT Legal Fiasco: A Hypothetical

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

FWIW, there ARE a few of us still out here in application programming land who are still supporting and updating assembler application code. Sometimes it is a conversion to COBOL, to be sure, but many parts are stubbornly stuck where they are in assembler and need to be updated as such for vali

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

Thanks to y'all helping me fumble through this, I have my SMP/E installation jobs working with a single INCLUDEd member that sets all the variables. I think I know the answer here, having spent a while reading the docs, but I'll still ask about the two remaining nits: 1. Is there a w

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:34:17 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >... >1. Is there a way to say "Do the INCLUDE from the same library where you >found this JCL?" (I expect not, because I don't think the JCL has any >association with that library by the time it's submitted) > Put the mainstream JC

Re: Ray Mullins on Assembler demand.

I agree with Matt that Ray is the man. Exactly why his response was used. And he is correct that assembler has become a niche product. Which is exactly what I’ve seen for most of my 40+ year career. A slow steady decline. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 1:17 PM,

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

So your JCL expertise qualifies you as a systems programmer ... that's interesting. Am 04.09.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Bill Johnson: To claim people who don’t code assembler or read dumps aren’t systems programmers is idiotic. ... I learned zero JCL in college. I learned and became an expert at

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

I offer training classes, Steve Thompson does. If a company really wants ASSEMBLER training, they can find it here. Am 04.09.2023 um 22:35 schrieb Bill Johnson: I love how many of you downplay others who don’t do what you do. And act like it’s inferior. Plus, puff yourselves up simply for pro

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Sprechen Sie Englische? I never said any such thing. I’m an expert in many IT  things. But, more a jack of all IT things with an ability to pick up things rapidly. And I’ve done everything. Operations, programming, DB2 DBA, DASD Admin, consulting, Ops Manager, z/OS “installer”, third party softwa

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Hi Peter, this reminds me of another story ... some day my customer (a large insurance company here in Germany) asked me to talk with their IBM rep, because we had a severe problem with one of the DB2 components which I discovered, and I was asked to have IBM fix it or otherwise provide a solu

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

Offering? To me it sounds like there’s no demand or there would actually be classes available to select as we write. There’s really nothing scheduled and likely won’t be. Because there’s no demand. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 6:38 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error or two. Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this; this ChatGPT program has no grasp of instruction formats, DCBs or the proper use of I/O macros. I will not go into the details here ... the ASSEMBLE

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Put the mainstream JCL in that same JCLLIB and invoke it with a stub/wrapper >INCLUDE. >(Can INCLUDEs be nested?) >(I've done similar with Assembler using a script to generate a SYSIN >consisting of only >a single COPY statement.) Sorry, I'm not grokking this. I have a lib

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

You people are idiots. Chatgpt just came out. Nobody, including me, said it was going to replace you today, or tomorrow. But, it will replace you. Autonomous vehicles are coming too. In fact, they are already on the road. Perfect? Not yet. But getting closer daily. Flying cars are a few decades

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

On 6/09/2023 7:34 am, Phil Smith III wrote: To recap, the goal here is just to make our SMP/E installation as easy as possible for the increasing number of customers for whom it seems to be a mystery. Yes, that's worrisome; no, I can't fix it. What I can do is try to keep them from blowing the

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

It doesn't even establish addressability. Joe On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:52 PM Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error > or two. > Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this; > this ChatGPT program has no grasp of ins

Re: Simple request from chatGPT to write assembler program.

I find it stunning the technology people are trying to hang onto the past (assembler) and bashing the future. (ChatGPT) Or perhaps that’s what aging people do. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:04 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: Is the IBM Assembler List still alive

I did regular ASSEMBLER training, provided by training companies here in Germany, in the 1990 to 2005 time frame. Since then, there indeed was not much demand. I worked for different mainframe customers since 2000 until today (I'm a freelancer), and every one of them had some ASSEMBLER program

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