Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
However, on that page it says "These claims have not been accepted by the scientific community." Also, in a part of the world prone to flooding, do we really need a rare event to explain a story about a flood? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 __

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Nonsense; the Bible is a lot of things, including History. The fun starts when people argue about which parts are what. There's lot's of allegory, metaphor poetry, etc., but there are also things that match archaeological data. I have this fantasy of a biblical literalist trying to explain how e

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
ITYM טְּהוֹרָ֗ה. Also, the sentence uses the word טְּהוֹרָ֗ה, which limits it to mammals. "All translations are lies." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
The scarcity of documents going back to 1000-3000 BCE makes it very difficult to sort out what is history and what is not. Modern scholars form a lot of hypotheses via textual analysis that are very difficult to verify with actual data. That's why discoveries like the Dead Sea Scrolls are so exc

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
There were syntax changes going from CP/M to [MS|PC]-DOS, and somewhere along the way PIP was lost. The editor also changed fr Mr. Ed to Mr. Edlin. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LI

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Recruiters are like tech writes; a good one can be extremely helpful, a bad one can be just a hindrance. I once interviewed a candidate who, after hearing the job description, asked why he had been sent. It turns out that my employer was using the low bidder, and they just flung résumés at the

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not all of the programmers that I worked with in the 1960s were white. Some of the posters here have worked on multiple platforms and are well aware that answer vary depending on context. Wasn't the Hundred Years' War just a land grab? I believe that the Thirty Years' War is a better example of

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's a bit more complicated than that, but Cutler certainly had a major role. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent:

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's not a mainframe vs PC thing or a work place versus Academia thing, it's a general lack of curiousity and initiative. Lot's of people can't be bothered to learn anything that they can avoid learning. I have to partially disagree on theory: I believe that the failure to teach basic theory ha

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Why do you want to get rid of them? If a recruiter calls, I politely say that I'm not interested at this time. Depending on the context, I may politely explain that assembler programmer and assembly line technician are very different skill sets, and that the skills don't transfer well in either

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 15/08/2023 10:09 am, Jon Perryman wrote: This is z/OS with SYSPROGS, not Unix with sysadmins where programmers have full control to define reasonable. You keep asking the wrong question. Who (not what) determines reasonable. Right or wrong, it is their job, not yours. If you can't give up c

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bobbie Jo Justice
We've all dealt with good recruiters and bad recruiters over the years. Good recruiters will send decent paying remote jobs that match your experience. Bad recruiters will send jobs about 40+ lpars paying peanuts. Then there's always let's work onsite in nyc for 1/4th the salary you'll need to

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
There's a Christian missionary organization called Wycliffe Bible Translators whose goal is to send a small team (and by "small" I mean usually husband and wife or two brothers, like that) to these groups that speak a language that only a thousand people in the whole world use, to live with them

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
When I was contracting on-site I had an Excel workbook that I used to estimate what rate I would want to go live in for a few quarters. The workbook was - well, you know what Scott Adams said? "To a normal person, if it ain't broke, don’t fix it. To an engineer, if it ain't broke it doesn't

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Translation is a bear. I'm a native Anglophone who learned Hebrew as an adult, yet there were things I wrote in Hebrew that I had trouble translating into English. I inadvertently pasted "teharah" twice; the word I meant to paste the second time was "behema". __

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Chuck Kreiter
Personally, I'm tired of getting recruiters emailing and/or calling (yes, they do both) about an urgent need for a 25+ year experience position that maxes out at $40/hour 1099. So, those, I do not care if their job is harder or not. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Li

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Bill Johnson
Even a book listed as fiction in the library has some elements of truth. The Bible is fiction. Christians are atheists when you bring up Roman, Greek, Aztec, Norse, or other non Christian gods. As with the aforementioned gods, they don’t exist either. Nobody ever seems to address the crusades i

Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Crawford Robert C (Contractor)
I also have to wonder if MS-DOS would've taken off at all if IBM had kept it. In the 20th century I remember a lot of companies, Microsoft and Apple included, styling themselves as IBM "giant killers." They were cool, (relatively) inexpensive and bringing computing to the masses. IBM, on the

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Nobody ever seems to address the crusades Maybe not in fundie circles, but lots of people are aware of how evil they were. > And nobody addresses the pedophile ring called the Catholic Church. They hardly have a monopoly. Anywhere adults are in a position of authority over children they need

Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
1984? You mean when Apple announced a system that was less open the IBM's? Are you sure that it isn't Apple who is "Big Brother"? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Crawford Robert C (Contractor) <04e08f385650-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Bill Johnson
A 13 year old girl in Mississippi was forced to give birth to her rapist baby. All because christofascist want to force their incorrect interpretation of the bible onto everyone. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/14/mississippi-abortion-ban-girl-raped-gives-birth Sent from Yahoo Mai

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Beesley
Can you PLEASE take non-mainframe related discussion elsewhere Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: 15 August 2023 14:53 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Caution: Ex

Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Crawford Robert C (Contractor)
...and that's one of the ironies of this whole thing. And why did Apple keep their systems closed? For control, security and (wait for it) money. Sound familiar? Robert Crawford Abstract Evolutions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Beaver
Yesterday I sent this to IBM Mainframe and RACF Discussions (See Below) Evidently several people from Mainframe and RACF groups have begun using this Little script. I continue to use this script and the off-shore recruiter; Well you can hear them Just die on the phone. They continue on their s

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread rpinion865
I have had some off-shore recruiters ask for my SSN and birthdate. You can imagine how far that goes. Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, August 15th, 2023 at 10:18 AM, Steve Beaver <050e0c375a14-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Yest

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Michael Watkins
Ha! When I was last looking for a job as a storage manager on the z/OS platform, a recruiter approached me with a position where I'd be responsible for renting out 10' x 10' storage units to people who'd already filled their garages with belongings they could not part with. -Original Messag

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Bruce Hewson wrote: >fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough >number? Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how many represent real users who access using something else? I'm really not going much of anywhere with this, but I

Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Beaver
Has anyone broken down and bought Microsoft Office 2021 Professional Plus Regards, Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the messag

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/15/23 10:12 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how many represent real users who access using something else? +1 I'm really not going much of anywhere with this, but I think it's useful info to have to say "This is how much t

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Mary Kay
Mary Kay > On Aug 14, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > IBM never showed enough interest or vision in microcomputer futures. > > I quit IBM in 1979 to work with some former colleagues on microcomputer > software development. My IBM manager would have walked me if I had been > join

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Farley, Peter
I’ve had Office 365 for years now, I find it useful to keep paying the yearly fee because they upgrade the individual components without me needing to concern myself with which version is current today and I can share it with my family for no extra charge. In prior times when I consulted for a

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Doug Fuerst
TAKE THIS CRAP ELSEWHERE!!! Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 8/15/2023 9:53:14 AM Subject Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe A 13 yea

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
I bought a second hand license at Gamers Outlet for very little UKpounds. But it has not broken down😊. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: 15 August 2023 16:19 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Has anyone Has anyone broken do

Microsoft office

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Beaver
One thing that absolutely scares the hell out of me is converting Office 2010 To any of the new Office Products, Has anyone converted? What Problems did you have? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acce

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
I find OpenOffice and LibreOffice perfectly adequate. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has any

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I also use Office 365 … best bet for families with kids that need access as well. Side note, I also pay for Creative Cloud which is far more economical than the individual bits. Matt Hogstrom “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Aug 15, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Steve Be

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Tony Harminc
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 11:12, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Bruce Hewson wrote: > >fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough > >number? > > Wow! It sure is. How many of those represent real users who log on, and how > many represent real users who access using someth

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Tom Marchant
Same here. I use Libre office. I prefer it over Microsoft office. -- Tom Marchant On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 15:49:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I find OpenOffice and LibreOffice perfectly adequate. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / si

Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises systems

2023-08-15 Thread Pommier, Rex
The troll who said he would stop commenting on here a few months ago? My vote would be to have his account tagged as restricted from posting. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Thompson
I have both M/S office products and Libre Office on W10 & W11 laptops. The reason for that is, clients are tied to M/S so I have to use Office 365 for interfacing with them. I use Libre office when I do not want M/S to use One Drive, or otherwise don't need M/S software (We have our own file se

How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
The z/OS TSO REXX User's Guide says (https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=stack-using-data): The data stack [...] can pass information between REXX execs and other types of programs in a TSO/E or non-TSO/E address space. Because of the data stack's unique characteristics, you can use the

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
GETLINE and PUTGET let you read from the stack, if you're comfortable writing in assembly language. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: How can a

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Jack Zukt
You need to pass eight bytes from a Cobol program to the invoking REXX. Why not use a disk file with a DD name? You can allocate it in the REXX, call the Cobol program, this can write it to the disk file, and you can read it in the calling REXX. Why does it have to be through the stack? Best wishes

Re: Certificate labels

2023-08-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Thanks to an off-list suggestion from Charles that I run a gsktrace, I've now proven to my (and his) satisfaction that it does the label lookup and then.never actually uses it after that. So at least I now understand the results, even if they're arguably not quite what it should be doing. Or at

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
That's my last-resort. I wanted to see if there's an alternative, and when I saw what the Users's Guide said about the data stack, I'm wondering what that actually means. Is it just that a program could write something to SYSTSIN? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Jack Zukt
If you assign a card punch on your Cobol program, where will it write to? Best wishes Jack On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 19:15 Schmitt, Michael wrote: > That's my last-resort. I wanted to see if there's an alternative, and when > I saw what the Users's Guide said about the data stack, I'm wondering what

Re: z/OS users

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 09:41:03 AM PDT, Tony Harminc > wrote: >> Bruce Hewson wrote: >>fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined.  Is that a big enough >>number? > Until not too many years ago one of the large Canadian banks used > software from my then employer to mana

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 17:48:39 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >... >What I'm trying to do is pass an 8 character field from a COBOL program to a >calling exec. The constraints are: >... I.e. almost anything that's likely to work. Why? >... >..., so the parm is one-way, and would hav

Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 06:30:51 AM PDT, Crawford Robert C > (Contractor) wrote: > I also have to wonder if MS-DOS would've taken off at all if IBM had kept it.  >   IBM has a track record of shooting themselves in the foot. Consider what they lost on the first day "The Cloud" was an

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 17:48:39 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >... >Please don't say, run using ISPF, it's easy! Or, call program with LINKMVS, >it's easy! Or, use the IRXECOM variable access routine, it is easy! I know it >is, but it can't be used in this case. It has to be the way I describe.

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
If I DISPLAY something UPON SYSPUNCH it goes to the SYSPUNCH DD. Is that what you mean? Meanwhile, I thought of passing through an environment variable. But as far as I can tell, the REXX exec has no way to read one. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: Certificate labels

2023-08-15 Thread Peter Sylvester
Hi, it would be helpful, if you describe your scenario in more details: Server has  some certS, signed by some cas.  (I skip possible intermediates). The CAs cert needs to be trustworthy buy the client. So far there is no client cert involved.  If the server wants some client cert, it has to be

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
I believe that the TSO CALL is passing a string that is a copy of the variable(s) used to build it. So even if I said: variable = 'dummy' "TSO CALL *(program) PARM("variable")" And had the COBOL program change the value of the passed variable, what's being passed is a copy of the string

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Either the environment() BIF or the stem __environment. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a p

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 19:01:07 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >If I DISPLAY something UPON SYSPUNCH it goes to the SYSPUNCH DD. Is that what >you mean? > He may have been sarcastic. Or an antiques dealer. >Meanwhile, I thought of passing through an environment variable. But as far as >I can tel

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Unfortunately, neither one resolves in this environment. I tried getenv() also. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information f

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
What did syscalls('ON') return? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program? Unfortunately,

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Jack Zukt
It has been a long many years since I wrote my last cobol program. I was wondering if it would be possible to use a card punch to write to the stack. Best wishes Jack On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 20:13 Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 19:01:07

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 19:08:07 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >I believe that the TSO CALL is passing a string that is a copy of the >variable(s) used to build it. > Can you omit the "TSO"? >COBOL won't give e access to R1. But even so, as mentioned above, I don't >think that would help. > With

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
In a universe that is running an emulation of TSO/E but not actual TSO/E. Which is why ADDRESS SH isn't available either. And why there are all the constraints. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 2:25 PM To:

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that he is referring to the command CALL in the TSO environment. address tso 'call' '...' From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3:24 PM To

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Errors with "Routine not found" -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program? What did syscalls('ON') return?

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Yup. The funny thing is that if LINKMVS was available then I wouldn't even need the COBOL program. I'm giving up and going to pass it back in a file. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 2:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 19:30:32 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >In a universe that is running an emulation of TSO/E but not actual TSO/E. >Which is why ADDRESS SH isn't available either. > I believe that LINKPGM, etc. pass a copy of the argument string, but copy any modified value back to the REXX

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
In what environment is your REXX code running -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Schmitt, Michael [michael.schm...@dxc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
Micro Focus ESMVS/TSO Version 7.0.000 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 2:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program? In what environment is you

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Beaver
Guys and gals. Than you for all your input Steve Beaver -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 12:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has anyone I have both M/S off

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Thompson
Ok, what I said won't work. Whose COBOL is in use? Is it MF COBOL? Does it support dynamic "DD" changes via the ASSIGN? If that is the case, then passing the DD name to the COBOL program would allow it to write to that DD the data the caller is asking for. Steve Thompson On 8/15/2023 3:54 P

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Beaver
If all of us give them a HIGH rate ($125/HR) when they want to pay $40.HR it does get the point across = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Yesterday I sent this to IBM Mainframe and RACF Discussions (See Below) Evidently several people from Mainframe and RACF groups have begun using T

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
Andrew Rowley wrote: > Disk space is cheap. Data is valuable. People are expensive. This is absurd. Not all disk is cheap (e.g. GDPS). Not all data is valuable. While a person may be expensive, not everything they do is of value to the business and worth the hidden expenses. > I started on M

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
I can do dynamic DD names in z/OS COBOL using a trick*, but that trick doesn't work in MF COBOL. There's no documented way to do a dynamic DD name**. Dynamic *file names* yes, but not DD names. But dynamic file names are native files (e.g. C:\Data\Catalog\File.DAT) not catalogged MVS data set n

Re: Certificate labels

2023-08-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Peter Sylvester wrote: >it would be helpful, if you describe your scenario in more details: I'll short-circuit this: the STC is a client but is not using a client cert. It's just doing a GET via HTTPS. My confusion was that: a. The doc doesn't really make it clear that a label is o

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Thompson
Then how about the calling program passing the communications file name [DSN or whatever] and then have the COBOL program allocate, and open that for output, then CLOSE and "free" it. The caller, upon return of the COBOL program should now have access to the string. I recall doing things like

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
I agree with Seymour that system z is not the same as PC but disagree that the problem is curiosity. The problem is with students not questioning what they are being taught. > Steve Thompson wrote: > How about the prestigious Schools telling their students that > COBOL is a dead or dying langu

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
That's not a recruiter, that's a spammer. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Every man has his secret sorrows, which the world knows not; and oftentimes we call a man cold when he is only sad. -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882) */ -Original Message- From:

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
Yeah, I've noticed the conventions are different for Indian and American recruiters. The Indians want lots of information up front, including my lowest rate before even we've talked about the details of the req. The Americans expect a certain amount of conversation about it first. On the othe

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I gather he cannot. But there's a blocking option, isn't there? I haven't looked seriously at that option because these posts don't seriously annoy me. (And to be fair, his on-topic posts are sometimes informed and interesting.) But by all means drop the hammer for your own mental health; no

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I thought programming sounded boring, but I figured an accountant should know something about computers so I signed up for a class. Not boring. I finished my Accounting degree, but I went straight into coding and never looked back. I agree with the folks who approved of your move. Now that I'

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
Well, yes. But when I ~needed~ the work - needed the money, I mean, of course - I sometimes took jobs like that. So even to those recruiters I stay polite. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The beginning of knowledge is the awareness of ignorance. -Socrates */

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
Oops. Sorry, folks; I meant to send that off-list. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I use MS Office Pro Plus, but it's still 2019. No plans to upgrade until I must; often when I "upgrade" I find the new product doesn't do something I wanted to continue doing. For example, some years ago I set out to find a text editor that had a hex-display feature. I settled on Notepad++, and

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I have Pro-Plus too, and I'm definitely an individual contractor. And yes, I too fork over the money for it, whenever I get a new PC, because it has Access. My little sister reminds me from time to time that OpenOffice is just as good, but I don't want to write something for a client and then

Re: Help for US Talent

2023-08-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Sometimes you have to do something boring that is not your responsibility because you're the only one they trust to do it right and they can't afford for it to be done wrong. That said, there's nothing wrong with writing tools to eliminate some of the drudgery. ___

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I've ranted on this before so I'll make it short: I finally, maybe a year ago, got tired of trying to write serious documentation in Word. I asked you folks and those at another listserv about markup languages, and then took a week off to learn to use LaTeX. I'm ~much~ happier with that. ---

Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Mike Schwab
We'll, they did adopt ISA and extentions, but not MCA in the PS/2s. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 08:31 Crawford Robert C (Contractor) < 04e08f385650-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I also have to wonder if MS-DOS would've taken off at all if IBM had kept > it. In the 20th century I remember

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Bob Bridges
I'm coming late to this thread, and this solution (if it even works) is really going around your elbow to get to your thumb, but: 1) You said the REXX exec is running in batch, right? 2) Call the COBOL program 3) The COBOL program displays the value to any DD 4) The exec invokes the SDSF interface

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
The exec can't access SDSF, and I'm not sure it is possible for it to access the spool equivalent. It basically restricted to what's available in address TSO. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 4:20 PM To: IBM-

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Schmitt, Michael
I just coded this, except I had to hard-code the DD name. The REXX code looks like: get_job_step: procedure address TSO /* Call JCLEXECI to get JCL exec step info in dd JCLEXECI */ "ALLOC DD(JCLEXECI) RECFM(F) LRECL(80) NEW DELETE" "CALL *(JCLEXECI)" "EXECIO * DISKR JCLEXECI (STEM jc

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Nigel Morton
HSM has been able to back up at the file level (and recover, of course) rather than an entire ZFS data set for some time now. On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 21:17, Jon Perryman wrote: > Andrew Rowley wrote: > > > Disk space is cheap. Data is valuable. People are expensive. > > > This is absurd. Not all

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

2023-08-15 Thread Pommier, Rex
Re: MCA, IIRC that's because IBM wanted to charge an arm and a leg to the other PC manufacturers to license MCA. I believe NCR did license it and their PCs were relatively expensive. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Tuesday, Au

Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
For a HEX viewr, try the V fileviewer at www.fileviewer.com It also recognises XMIT format and will even work with XMIT within XMIT. I bought a license about 8 years back for very little. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: 15 Aug

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Pommier, Rex
I highly recommend "HxD hex edit". Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 4:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone For a HEX viewr, try the V fileviewer at https:/

Re: Certificate labels

2023-08-15 Thread Charles Mills
I believe that responding to a possible server request for a client certificate is the only purpose for the certificate label parameter *in a client configuration.* For a server, the label is a possible alternative to the usual convention of having the server present the default certificate on

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Charles Mills
I use it. I have nothing to really compare it to, but it does the job for me. Supports EBCDIC. Charles On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:16:16 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >I highly recommend "HxD hex edit". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Has anyone

2023-08-15 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
I use both Libre Office and Ashampoo office. The Ashampoo products are like MS-Office used to be. Not overloaded with features I don't need and each component offers compatible file formats with MS-Office. Costs about $20. I have a number of other Ashampoo products for disk backup, video editing, a

Re: How can a REXX data stack pass information from a program?

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
There is too much misleading information. This isn't a simple question about passing data between REXX and Cobol. Passing between languages is never consistent. I can't remember about Cobol but Micro Focus Cobol was written in C which makes me suspect it passes / receives by value (a copy of)

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 16/08/2023 6:17 am, Jon Perryman wrote: This is absurd. Not all disk is cheap (e.g. GDPS). Not all data is valuable. While a person may be expensive, not everything they do is of value to the business and worth the hidden expenses. It's not cents per GB PC cheap, but it's not 1990s expens

Re: ransomware on z

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> Timothy Sipples wrote:  > If an attacker inserts a keylogger or gets an adequate view of the keyboard I hear that AI is getting good results using the microphone to get keystrokes. On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:17:36 PM PDT, Timothy Sipples wrote: Tony Thigpen wrote: > And, that I

Re: USS Features

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> Andrew Rowley wrote: > It's not cents per GB cheap While I agree with everything you're saying, at the end of the day it's the storage sysprog's decision. As with any z/OS sysprog, they make decisions that programmers feel are abusive.  People are arguing about passion. If this were a manager

Re: looking for RSYNC for OMVS [was: Preferred FTP Client for Windows]

2023-08-15 Thread david rintoul
rsyncport is available on z/open tools site.- https://github.com/ZOSOpenTools On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 2:01 AM Rick Troth wrote: > And for my next question: what about RSYNC? > I don't see it mentioned on the Co:Z web site. Didn't find it on > Rocket's web site either. > I thought I heard a rumor

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