Not all of the programmers that I worked with in the 1960s were white. Some of the posters here have worked on multiple platforms and are well aware that answer vary depending on context.
Wasn't the Hundred Years' War just a land grab? I believe that the Thirty Years' War is a better example of a religious war, although even there it is more complicated. As for security, if I wanted to crack a system, I'd look first for vulnerabilities in the staff rather than in the technology. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 8:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got into IT because they were white and breathing. Many from the military. Ask 10 posters here a question and you get 4-5 different answers and every poster thinks his answer is absolute. There are literally thousands of mainframe system programmers, yet the 20-30 here will swear because their tiny shop eliminated the mainframe, mainframes are dying. Even when faced with facts that say otherwise. Plus, the security on the platform is unmatched. Hackers would love to be able to hack the mainframe since that’s where the money is. Banks being the big one. I notice Bob Bridges listed these. “Did we learnanything from the Korean conflict, from the American civil war, the 100 Years' war, the Peloponnesian war, from Cain vs Abel?” I’m shocked Bob didn’t mention the Crusades. Where “pro life Christians” massacred hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions over 200 years. But did mention Cain & Abel which is fictional. Retirement is wonderful. I no longer have to deal with coworkers who can barely breathe and chew gum. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:37 PM, Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote: A bigger head beats a bigger mouth every time. Johnson by name Johnson by nature. Yeah, I found this on the internet too: Noun[edit <https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=johnson&action=edit§ion=4>] *johnson* (*plural* *johnsons <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/johnsons#English>*) 1. (slang <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#slang>) Penis <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/penis>. quotations ▼synonym ▲Synonyms: *see* Thesaurus:penis <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Thesaurus:penis> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:33 AM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things > because they can be easily found on the internet? > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:17 PM, Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. >> >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer >> Timothy >> > Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original >> > operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086 microprocessor in >> 1980, >> > initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was >> > soon renamed 86-DOS. A year later, fledgling company Microsoft >> > purchased exclusive rights to sell the system, renamed MS-DOS, to IBM >> for >> > their newly developed IBM-PC. IBM-compatible versions were marketed as >> > PC-DOS. Version 1.0 was released in 1981; additional upgraded versions >> kept >> > pace with the rapidly evolving PC. Windows 95, introduced by Microsoft >> in >> > 1995, incorporated MS-DOS 7.0 but ultimately superseded the MS-DOS >> > platform. Starting with Windows NT, Microsoft’s operating systems were >> > designed independently of MS-DOS, though they were capable of running >> some >> > MS-DOS applications.* >> > >> > Facts but missing lots of pivotal events. No mention of Gary Kildall. >> > Windows 2.0 was a brief look at a Windows O/S. Windows 3.0 preceded WIN >> 95 >> > as did Windows 3.1. >> > >> > Really who cares? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:09 AM Jon Perryman <jperr...@pacbell.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:15:12 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: >> >> >> >> On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: >> >> >> >> > My hang up is that -- as I understand it -- DOS was /never/ IBM's to >> >> start with. >> >> >> >> > DOS was /Microsoft's. >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, if you want some insights, you can watch >> >> https://youtu.be/Qc5khH5gllg?t=339 that seems to be the prevalent >> story. >> >> Is this different from the story as you understand it? >> >> >> >> 1. MS-DOS did not exist prior to IBM / Bill Gates meeting. >> >> >> >> 2. IBM wanted a new OS. IBM contractred Gates to create this OS which >> was >> >> to be called PC DOS. >> >> >> >> 3. Because IBM was gun shy from anti-trust lawsuits, it chose to >> exclude >> >> ownership of PC DOS thus allowing PC-DOS to be sold as MS-DOS by >> Microsoft. >> >> >> >> Microsoft was not the sole owner of DOS. One piece of software was >> owned >> >> by IBM and Microsoft. It was IBM's choice not to retain sole ownership >> of >> >> DOS. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Wayne V. Bickerdike >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Wayne V. 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