Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:42:00 -0400 David Cole wrote: :>Does any know if suspended SRB control blocks (SSRB/SSRX) are :>stabilized by holding the LOCAL lock? (I'm considering logic in :>support of setting up TRAP2 debugging for SRBs.) I am also curious to know what "owner serialized" means. --

Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

It's documented as needing either LOCAL or CML lock. See https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.2.0?topic=processing-suspending-rb-until-event-completes-suspend On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 6:20 PM Binyamin Dissen wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:42:00 -0400 David Cole wrote: > > :>Does any know if suspe

Re: Searching for a process to clean my VTS

That's good news then. The tapetool I linked to earlier should have everything you need. - KB --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 at 11:07 PM, Tom Longfellow <03e29b607131-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Yes I have the list -- I know them by naming standard

Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

I don't see how that answers either question. The need for SUSPEND RB caller to be disabled is to allow the resume process to resume it. You cannot schedule the resume process until the suspend as otherwise the resume may try resuming before the suspend completes, causing the later suspend to ne

Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

I was enquiring specifically about SRBs, not RBs. Dave Cole At 5/31/2023 05:25 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: I don't see how that answers either question. The need for SUSPEND RB caller to be disabled is to allow the resume process to resume it. You cannot schedule the resume process until the

Re: Two related member generation questions

Hi Jeremy, "...I've no idea if that is or was correct ..." Have you ever heard of the CSI (Consolidated  Software Inventory)? This/these VSAM Dataset(s) has/have been part of SMP/e since the day it came out in the '80s. Regards, David On 2023-05-30 18:20, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2

Re: z/OSMF

TINW. Perhaps some are just resistant to change, but even those (hypothetical) people may have valid objections, e.g., Performance Inadequate testing against a wide variety of installations Inadequate documentation and training Inadequate transition tools Inadequate trans

Re: z/OSMF

Panel options are not intuitive. On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 7:42 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > TINW. > > Perhaps some are just resistant to change, but even those (hypothetical) > people may have valid objections, e.g., > > Performance > > Inadequate testing against a wide variety of installat

Re: Two related member generation questions

Keep? Still? I don't recall saying it more than once. I overlooked SCDS. I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in qualifiers, but leading hyphens in member names used to work, and I was unhappy when IBM tightened the validity check in the C/I. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: z/OSMF

There seems to be a lot of variability in who finds what intuitive. I recall a discussion about "for(;;;)", a construction in a language I hate, being hard, and I thought that it was perfectly clear. Other things that some found obvious seemed strange to me. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://

Re: z/OSMF

Hate? Hell, no. Just contempt for a poorly developed product that IBM forces us to use. It is true that IBM as an history of user unfriendly interfaces for using its products. This one, on top of that, is also poorly designed which results, as it is been said, on a ghastly performance. Jack On Wed

Re: z/OSMF

+1 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of VER Z038 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 8:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OSMF ⚠ EXTERNAL MESSAGE – Think Before You Click Why so much hate for z/OSMF? We sound like a bunch of grumpy old boomers res

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF

This is why I like the way Linux handles things. I can have two different Linux installs, as along as I have two different partitions or disks on which to put those installs. And then the user data is off in /home which can be yet another single or group of partitions on one or more disks. By

Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

Dave The answer from a work colleague who knows a LOT about the dispatcher is : "The answer is no. SRB scheduling/dispatching does not use the local lock unless the SRB requests the local lock on dispatch. If so it is obtained (or suspended to wait for it) as the dispatch occurs." Rob Scott R

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF

Hi Phil, If you are not interested in looking at videos to see the flow in action, the complete documentation (with Helps you see on the display) are on IBM Documentation. The "Model" function can be found here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=wizard-model-page -Marna WALLE z/O

Re: Two related member generation questions

On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in qualifiers, > Leading? In member names? I was told it was the result of UNPK of a SVC number. > ... but leading hyphens in member names used to work, and I was unhappy when > IBM tightened

Re: Two related member generation questions

Hi Gil, "... Leading? In member names? I was told it was the result of UNPK of a SVC number.  ..." Not leading, but trailing. Regards, David On 2023-05-31 10:55, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in qualif

Re: Two related member generation questions

On Wed, 31 May 2023, at 11:50, David Spiegel wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > "...I've no idea if that is or was correct ..." > Have you ever heard of the CSI (Consolidated  Software Inventory)? > This/these VSAM Dataset(s) has/have been part of SMP/e since the day it > came out in the '80s. Yes, of course.

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

The Linux kernel was at one time explicitly POSIX compliant. Lately, I have not seen that banner in the console output nor from 'dmesg'. -- R; <>< On 5/26/23 18:48, Mike Schwab wrote: I think MVS/ESA Unix was certified to posix standard for U.S government contracts. Somebody paid for Linux

Re: Two related member generation questions

On Wed, 31 May 2023, at 12:57, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Keep? Still? I don't recall saying it more than once. I thought (back in April) that I'd read your "are you sure you don't mean in an old version of SMP, rather than SMP/E", comment at least once before - possibly lots of years ago though. I'

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

It was 1995. I remember because I was particularly enthused about the advent of "OpenEdition" on MVS and on VM. It was ironic, and a bit of a hoot, that other Unix systems (e.g., Slolaris, HPUX, even AIX) did not have the same certification. There were two problems. First, USS was kinda slow f

Re: SSHD terminates immediately with permission(?) problem

The PORT statement should be like we should in our "z/OS OpenSSH Quick Install Guide" that I referred to earlier. https://coztoolkit.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/pto-inst-basic.html#pto-inst-tcpip PORT ... 22 TCP SSHD* NOAUTOLOG ; OpenSSH SSHD server Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies https://co

Re: SSRB/SSRX and LOCAL locks question

Thanks Rob. That sounds rather definitive. And of course for scheduling SRBs, that make perfect sense. But let me change the question slightly. I'm actually more interested in suspended local SRBs. I.E. SSRBs and SSRXs. Are they stabilized when the LOCAL lock is held? Thanks, Dave At 5

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

On Wed, 31 May 2023 12:19:19 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: >... >In spite of the caveats, USS was (is) an excellent implementation. >OpenVM too! > OpenVM fork()? It's unforgivable that OpenVM provides something it calls "fork", but which is not. -- gil ---

D IZU command not always working

When I enter 'D IZU' in the console (z/os 2.4), I may get one of the following responses (assuming that zOSMF is active): 1. IZUG016I The server IZUSVR1 on system is not available. ** msg CWWKF0011I: the server zosmfServer is ready to run a smarter planet is written to the job log be

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

Gil wrote: >OpenVM fork()? It's unforgivable that OpenVM provides >something it calls "fork", but which is not. Heh. When that came out, I got a bunch of Taco Bell sporks, drilled holes in them so I could hang them from paper clips, and handed them out at SHARE to the VM crowd to dangle off ba

CMS-like 'xmitmsg' for Linux (or Unix or MacOS or even Windoze)

This was also posted to the Linux/390 list and the VM list, but seemed relevant for here too. Over the past several days, I "cut a release" (that's GitHub speak) of the xmitmsgX package. The package mimics the behavior of the CMS 'XMITMSG' command. This is release 2.1.3 of the project. The fac

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

On 5/31/23 15:48, Phil Smith III wrote: Gil wrote: OpenVM fork()? It's unforgivable that OpenVM provides something it calls "fork", but which is not. Heh. When that came out, I got a bunch of Taco Bell sporks, drilled holes in them so I could hang them from paper clips, and handed them out at

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

On Wed, 31 May 2023 15:57:19 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: >... >Reasonable compromise ... it would seem so. >IBM are such sticklers for the rules. What really *is*fork() and what >does Unix do on systems without virtual memory? >

Re: Two related member generation questions

For transient SVC name it was a trailing C0; I was just contrasting member names with index levels. I guess that IBM decided to eliminate an alleged ambiguity between member name and relative generation. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: z/OS 3.1: Now UNIXR Certified

My impression of MVS OE was that IBM implemented only what it needed for certification. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Rick Troth [tro...@gmail.com] Se

Q: Transient SVC ?

Sorry, but I have to ask this: What do you mean by a transient SVC? In days gone by, I remember that SVCs had to have specific names, so the last char of the SVC could be a "non" printable name (hazy memories of this from having to fix/patch an SVC). I know that DOS, DOS/V* had transients tha

HOLD Action of a superseded PTF

My SMP APPLY CHECK has multi pages of ++ HOLDSYS ACTION items but APPLY only a couple. Do I have to take HOLDSYS Action of the Superseded PTFs as reported in the APPLY CHECK SMP Report but not listed in the APPLY JOB SMP report? regards Munif. --

Re: Q: Transient SVC ?

Back before SYS1.LPALIB, Nucleus-resident SVC routines were named IGCxxx and were linked into IEANUC00; transient SVC routines were named IGC00xxx with a C zone on the last digit, resided is SYS1.SVCLIB and ran out of 1 KiB (2 KiB in OS/VS1) SVC transient areas. The names endured, but since SVS

Re: HOLD Action of a superseded PTF

The superseding PTF should include any required HOLDDATA. But see my PUT PROCESS song if it's still in the songbook. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mun

Re: Q: Transient SVC ?

Thank you Shmuel: I had completely forgotten those libraries and that part of the system "gen". I didn't actually become a sysprog until MVS/SP2 (XA). And I don't know about z/VSE either. I've gotten the latest manuals, just don't have time to read them all. Steve Thompson On 5/31/2023 10

Re: Q: Transient SVC ?

> Back before SYS1.LPALIB, Nucleus-resident SVC routines were named IGCxxx > and were linked into IEANUC00; transient SVC routines were named IGC00xxx > with a C zone on the last digit, resided is SYS1.SVCLIB and ran out of > 1 KiB SVC transient areas. > The EBCDIC code pages I've used had C) as "

Re: Searching for a process to clean my VTS

Hi, You can delete them as follows. 1. Ensure the scratch category codes in DEVSUPxx is defined on the target VTS. 2. Create volume entry in the VOLCAT as follows.  If LIBNAME and/or SGNAME is not defined, define them before CREATE VOLENT.   CREATE VOLUMEENTRY (NAME(Vvolser) LIBRARYNAME(l