Bob Bridges Wrote "Am I missing something obvious, here? In what computer
language(s) is a move not actually a copy? And how?".
I referred to this since someone said that COBOL is English like. As such
the language is wrong because it does not describe correctly in English
what happens. COPY, RE
This reminds me of a very old story (begin of 1990s).
I once had to write a translator for a report generator language (not
RPG, but similar),
which was in use on Polish ODRA computers (ICL clone). The target
language was COBOL.
After some weeks of work, I delivered the first version. The "cust
Our also goes to syslogd to the file pointed to by:
daemon.debug /path/filename
In /etc/syslog.conf
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tor 2020-07-16 klockan 07:28 + skrev Gadi Ben-Avi:
> Hi,
>
> I was asked to make sure that the mainframes are using the same time
> source as the rest of the computers on our network.
> I know what the NTP servers are in our network.
>
> In the HMC, I found 'Customize Console Date/Time'
> I a
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:30:33 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
>Am I missing something obvious, here? In what computer language(s) is a move
>not actually a copy? And how?
>
POSIX shell: mv old/path/name new/path/name
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You may have done so - by now I don't remember who said what first :) - but I
was referring to Mr Crayford's post below. As I understood them, Tony Thigpen
wrote that a MOVE is actually a copy, and Mr Crayford disagreed. I'm confused;
is there any computer language in which the verb MOVE exist
Oh. Um. Hm.
I certainly wasn't thinking of a shell command that manipulates files and
folders as part of an algorithmic language. Not sure I'm willing to cede that
point; it's a different thing, surely?
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I was so disappointed to find out that this thread was not about a new
Object Oriented COBOL. (And yes, I know the joke about that.)
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:54 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> Oh. Um. Hm.
>
> I certainly wasn't thinking of a shell command that manipulates files and
> folders as part
Or, more formally, addition is commutative but subtraction is not.
A + B always* equals B + A, but A - B generally does not equal B - A.
*Is that true for computer languages (as opposed to being true only for pure
math)? In modern C++ if I say
auto x = y + z;
If y and z are of different types
Found it. Thanks all. On this system no syslog.conf. Configuration seems to be
in a legacy dataset pointed to by the -f flag in EXEC PGM=SYSLOGD,PARM=.
Charles
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I am trying to under if java memory utilisation hits the general CPU or
zIIP ?
Does the memory capping of java is determined by java version or zOS
hardware or the product which uses it ?
On Fri, 17 Jul, 2020, 8:46 pm Lizette Koehler,
wrote:
> I think the answer is it depends.
>
> How much memo
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:20:09 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>Or, more formally, addition is commutative but subtraction is not.
>
>A + B always* equals B + A, but A - B generally does not equal B - A.
>
>*Is that true for computer languages (as opposed to being true only for pure
>math)? In modern C
The only "destructive move" I have been able to find (i.e, a real move,
not a copy) based on one real response, is in C (and derivatives) that
is not really what we are talking about.
It's move of a "change the pointer to the variable and drop the original
storage" type of thing. And, it's a f
Yeah, the signed/unsigned thing can be surprising. IIRC if x is unsigned then x
< 0 is never true but x == -1 might be true.
I knew about 3[foo] being equivalent to foo[3]. I find it astonishing but know
that it is true (and understand why, more or less).
Charles
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Hello. I’m reading Chapter 5 Using Access Registers in MVS Programming
Extended Addressability Guide (SA23-1394-30). Pages 113 – 116
“Procedures for establishing addressability to an address
space”Regarding Figure 38I understand the EAX value of PCRTN indexes into
the AT of AS2.I understand PC
Hi,
I have been experimenting with setting up OSA-ICC cards on a z114.
These are OSA Express3 cards with 4 ports / 2 channels. Let's look at a
single channel in this card, named CHPID 200.
These are the configuration parameters for this card:
> Channel ID: 0200
> LAN port type: OSA-ICC 3270
>
fre 2020-07-17 klockan 14:05 + skrev Barkow, Eileen:
> For those not aware of this IBM has been offering free web COBOL
> classes and have been getting hundreds of people in attendance, many
> of whom are new mainframe programmers.
> They are also offering a free class on the IDZ/Data Studio
>
I don't know if this was readable for others but I had to edit it to be able
to read it. I thought I would share my editing. Different mail clients --
perhaps it was better for others as it was. Different strokes ...
Charles
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Christian,
IMHO: For use as an OSA-C, the second port is of minimal use. About the
only good use is to attach a local non-routable lan segment so that
local consoles can be isolated from your main network so that the
network people do not mess with your z/OS consoles.
Tony Thigpen
Christia
Port 23 is standard telnet. Port 3270 is non-standard TN3270E.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:10 PM Tony Thigpen wrote:
>
> Christian,
>
> IMHO: For use as an OSA-C, the second port is of minimal use. About the
> only good use is to attach a local non-routable lan segment so that
> local consoles ca
What exactly would "move" mean in a computer memory context? We move physical
objects: they cease to occupy one space and instead occupy another. But a
computer memory holds information. You can no more move data in memory from one
place to another than you can move knowledge from my head to you
An Abacus is a computer. The beads are moved.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 08:23 Charles Mills wrote:
> What exactly would "move" mean in a computer memory context? We move
> physical objects: they cease to occupy one space and instead occupy
> another. But a computer memory holds information. You can
tor 2020-07-16 klockan 23:12 -0300 skrev Clark Morris:
>
> And will they have an adequate test mechanism for both online and
> batch? The hardest part of my job where I worked was getting a
> coordinated set of test data that I could use as a base. I also have
> come to the conclusion that the w
Bob,
David didn't say there were languages that did "moves". He said that there
are several languages that implement a copy verb that does what MOVE does
in COBOL.
Historically, COBOL made the wrong choice when they codified COPY for
INCLUDE and used MOVE.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:51 AM Bob Br
> What exactly would "move" mean in a computer memory context?
Moving an element from one list to another comes to mind. That doesn't change
the physical location of the data, but it does change their logical location.
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This is explained on page 113:
"The example also shows the difference between cross memory data movement
with a move to primary (MVCP) and a data movement performed through ARs and
the MVC instruction. PGM1 uses the SSAR instruction to establish AS2 as the
secondary address space, then it uses MVC
And thus part of the problem. A programming language has to codified due
to the nature of the beast. English is not codified. If it was, you
would not see many definitions in the dictionary for a word. There are
many usage for a single word that our minds can help figure from the
context or the
Incorrect. The abacus is not a computer, it is a "calculating tool". The
computer using the calculating tool is the human brain. If the Abacus is
a computer, so is a pencil and paper where we use tally marks.
Wayne, you are starting to make everyone doubt your sanity. :-)
Tony Thigpen
Wayne B
"Historically, COBOL made the wrong choice when they codified COPY for
INCLUDE and used MOVE."
I respectfully disagree. COBOL's mother is FLOW-MATIC. MOVE was in
FLOW-MATIC.
Joe
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:52 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> Bob,
>
> David didn't say there were languages that did "m
What are COMTRAN and FACT, chopped liver?
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*"I respectfully disagree. COBOL's mother is FLOW-MATIC. MOVE was
inFLOW-MATIC."*
Is that why you took the U out of COLOUR and LABOUR and the I from
ALUMINIUM? Or is it the Elizabethan English that America adopted?
Perpetuating Manglish?
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:57 PM Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
First Google hit:
It was the arithmetic process of *Abacus* that led to the development of
*Computers*. While *abacus* is an ancient calculating tool, *Computers* are
modern tools, which performs many functions. The *computers* have become
part and parcel of human beings. *Abacus* can also be call
On 2020-07-18 2:30 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Am I missing something obvious, here? In what computer language(s) is a move
not actually a copy? And how?
Languages which support Linear/Affine type systems where there can only
be one instance of a object for which move operations transfer ownersh
You can set up some of the ports to be local VTAM terminals, then you can use
VISTA (or any 3270 emulator) to connect into the ICC port 3270, and use the
LUNAME of the 3270 you defined as a local 3270 terminal. Since you can have
over 100 terminals per port, making them all os consoles is a was
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