Re: multi-line STDPARM shell script for BPXBATCH

2019-10-06 Thread Kirk Wolf
Jon, I don't understand what you are saying. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:35 PM Jon Perryman wrote: > On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 12:52:56 PM PDT, Kirk Wolf wrote: > > You really like all of this mangling of the shell syntax? > > In all Unix systems, we simply avoid situations where this manglin

Clist dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Donald Blake
CANCEL command should do it. Date:Sat, 5 Oct 2019 03:29:26 -0500 From:Bill Giannelli Subject: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset I am trying to rename a CLIST library allocated to users for ISPF. how do I force users to deallocate the dataset so I can rename it? I have been se

Re: Clist dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
As OP indicated at some point, CANCEL does not always work. I've run into the same problem. It's not only TSU but even a batch job will sometimes fail to go away after 'CANCEL COMMAND ACCEPTED'. If this condition persists for even a few minutes, FORCE is the only way to make the task actually go

Re: multi-line STDPARM shell script for BPXBATCH

2019-10-06 Thread Jon Perryman
On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 08:10:44 AM PDT, Kirk Wolf wrote: > I don't understand what you are saying. I'm saying that IBM can't fix this problem because the problem lies with Unix shell design. This same exact problem exists in products that utilize "sh -c some-mangled-commands" (e.g. sy

configure zos explorer

2019-10-06 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi Would anyone know how to configure z/os explorer (gui client of debug tool) What I mean is were would I enter the Z/OS TCPIP ADDRESS AND/OR PORT # Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructi

A List Server for OE/OMVS

2019-10-06 Thread Steve Lee
Dear, Has there been any change on IBM LIst Server for OpenEdition? Getting faded in my memory, it was lists...@vm.marist.edu for mvs-oe. Now noticed the IBM MAIN list server also accepts/covers all OMVS events here in IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU (foramlly known lists...@bama.ua.edu). I a

Re: multi-line STDPARM shell script for BPXBATCH

2019-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:06:16 +, Jon Perryman wrote: > >I'm saying that IBM can't fix this problem because the problem lies with Unix >shell design. This same exact problem exists in products that utilize "sh -c >some-mangled-commands" (e.g. system automation). For those products, it's >consid

Re: A List Server for OE/OMVS

2019-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:00:48 -0500, Steve Lee wrote: > >Has there been any change on IBM LIst Server for OpenEdition? > I continue to use http://vm.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?MVS-OE >Getting faded in my memory, it was lists...@vm.marist.edu for mvs-oe. Now >noticed the IBM MAIN list server al

Re: A List Server for OE/OMVS

2019-10-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
As far as I know, this list is still active MVS OE http://vm.marist.edu/archives/mvs-oe.html Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Steve Lee > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 12:01 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: A List Server f

Re: A List Server for OE/OMVS

2019-10-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
All IBM mainframe topics aon topic for IBM-MAIN. However, there may be specialists who are subscribed only to more specialized lists, so it's a tradeoff between the size of the pool and the concentration of expertise. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 __

Re: Clist dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
ARM? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Clist dataset As OP indicated at some poin

Re: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
That depends on installation policy. The last time I had such a problem, I set users to 0, told everybody to log off and cancelled those that din't log off in a reasonable period of time. Don'try it without management buy-in. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 __

Re: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 10/5/2019 1:29 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote: I am trying to rename a CLIST library allocated to users for ISPF. how do I force users to deallocate the dataset so I can rename it? I have been sending tso messages but more users keep allocating it. In a busy environment, you will never be able t

Re: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Ed Jaffe
Haha! I meant to write Whack-a-Mole! On 10/6/2019 1:47 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 10/5/2019 1:29 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote: I am trying to rename a CLIST library allocated to users for ISPF. how do I force users to deallocate the dataset so I can rename it? I have been sending tso messages but more

Re: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset

2019-10-06 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Ed, I don't think that the FILE Parameter is necessary. Regards, David On 2019-10-06 16:47, Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 10/5/2019 1:29 AM, Bill Giannelli wrote: >> I am trying to rename a CLIST library allocated to users for ISPF. >> how do I force users to deallocate the dataset so I can rename it?

Re: how to force a free of ispf allocated Dataset

2019-10-06 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 10/6/2019 2:25 PM, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Ed, I don't think that the FILE Parameter is necessary. Just tried it and, of course, you are correct. Works either way -- with or without... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https:

Re: multi-line STDPARM shell script for BPXBATCH

2019-10-06 Thread Jon Perryman
The Unix concept of line implies the new line character which is not standard z/OS. Multi-line JCL parm does not make sense in this context.  JCL does in fact pass multiple arguments but it is not compatible with Unix (PARM=(A,B) ). Specifying alternate DD names has nothing to do with JCL. If

Re: multi-line STDPARM shell script for BPXBATCH

2019-10-06 Thread David Crayford
On 2019-10-07 2:06 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: I'm saying that IBM can't fix this problem because the problem lies with Unix shell design. I have no idea what you're talking about! IBM can and have fixed the problem! BPXBATCH is so bad they wrote a replacement AOPBATCH which works just as Kirk d

Re: Phoenix Software International Announces IBM® JES3 Licensing Agreement

2019-10-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Ed Jaffe wrote: >It's not every day someone acquires a core z/OS component from IBM (has >that EVER happened?) so you can be sure we will treat it with the >respect it deserves. How would you classify the two examples The New York Times reported on November 5, 1983? --

Re: Phoenix Software International Announces IBM(R) JES3 Licensing Agreement

2019-10-06 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/05/business/the-publicity-effect-of-ibm-sting.html On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:15 AM Timothy Sipples wrote: > > Ed Jaffe wrote: > >It's not every day someone acquires a core z/OS component from IBM (has > >that EVER happened?) so you can be sure we will treat it with

Re: configure zos explorer

2019-10-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Joseph Reichman wrote: >Would anyone know how to configure z/os explorer (gui client of >debug tool) What I mean is were would I enter the Z/OS TCPIP ADDRESS >AND/OR PORT # I believe this page in the IBM Knowledge Center should answer your questions: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en