dave.g4...@gmail.com (Dave Wade) writes:
> High Speed card readers read all columns of the card at the same time,
> so they have 80 sensors, and read the card row-by-row, allowing much
> faster reading. There is no reel of tape that has inertia that has to
> be controlled on a stop.
> A card deck i
>(I admit I could miss the information in the thread)
>
>What was the speed of tape reader or card reader?
>Of course I don't mean the device in motion transported on the wheels,
>but rather data transfer in bytes per second. ;-)
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What was the speed of tape reader or card reader?
Of course I don't mean the device in motion transported on the wheels,
but rather data transfer in bytes per second. ;-)
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:51:39 -0800, John Mattson
wrote:
>But even more ancient were the plug boards which were used for other
>purposes. There was one lady, Sono Obuchi, who was the only one who knew
>how to program them. I stayed as far away from them as I could.
If you are referring to t
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:51 AM, John Mattson wrote:
>
> GTE Data Services in Marina del Rey, CA was still getting paper tape
> out put from telephone local offices in 1982. Basically the system worked
> fine, and while they were scheduled for replacement, they figured "If it
> ain't broke, don
On the bookshelf behind me in my office is an IBM carriage control tape punch.
In the late 1970s I rented time on an IBM Model 40. It had no attached unit
record hardware because the 2821 control unit was still used on 370 hardware
and cost more than the Model 40! There was a 1401 with 4 7-track
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Michael O'Byrne wrote:
>
> In 1972 I was the second shift manager of the IBM Customer Data Center in
> Chicago. We had a paper tape reader/punch attached to a System/7. We
> could attach the System/7 to System/360 but generally it was stand alone.
> At the tim
Gil:
That is for a PRINTER not a teletype machine. Two completely different animals.
That being said yes system 7 did have a teletype reader that is NOT a 360/370
machine.
Ed
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> On Mon, 16
Phil:
Hard to say. As mentioned earlier, my last contact with paper tape
(other than 1403 printer control tape) was in1962 on my return to the
lower 48 and my next USAF assignment at SAC HQ in Omaha, NB, where I
remained in the USAF for another 2 years and stayed active in encrypted
teletype
Great line from great (at least as I remember it) scifi book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1 -- after a gunfight
in computer room, during which a certain device took a bullet, "That
1052 had it coming".
Bill Godfrey mentioned:
> IBM reference
> https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm
On 2017-01-17 18:45, Phil Smith wrote:
> Tom Marchant wrote:
>> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape.
>
> Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the
> computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper tape in use, only at the
> Co
Tom Marchant wrote:
>Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape.
Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the
computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper tape in use, only at the
Computer History Museum. Maybe I was just lucky?
...
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Yep. I was going to ask that as a Friday riddle: "what was special about
>channel 12?" Yes, a program could check it so that it knew when to quit
>printing detail lines, print subtotals, and eject to a new page. Holy cow! Can
>you imagin
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Can you imagine a program running directly connected to a printer, not spooled?
Back in the '70's we had a couple of programs that directly connected to a
printer. They were check writing programs, and the check numbers were
pre-printed
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And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be
checked
And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be
checked programatically, so the program could skip to channel 1 when needed?
Now that's been a while...
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> Extra points could be earned by raising the lid when printing was
> actually taking place
The cover (as you noted) raised on its own for paper jams and IIRC a paper out
condition. Double extra poin
dels, IIRC. So you
could buy a "commercial" 360 or a "scientific" 360, as well as one that did
both.
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"...There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
> And 1443 (?). I had a client that had a 1403 variant that was a little
> slower but included a 16-or-so column card reader. You could print
> invoices on pre-punched cards and read the punching to make sure you
> were printing on the right card (no spool,
that the 1403 printer used a "special"
> (not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data."
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t zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a "special"
>(not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data."
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:29:19 -0800, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>edgould1948 (Edward Gould) writes:
>> That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a
>> 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I
>> have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device
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Gil:
That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/321
Gil:
That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/3211(?) was
just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x
As I have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or computer
that had a paper tape reader/writer.
This goes back to the 360’s . I just got off the ph
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:12:02 -0600, Edward Gould wrote:
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carria
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>> That is not h
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> That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/3211(?) was
> just for that
> mac
edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes:
> That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a
> 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I
> have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or
> computer that had a paper tape reader/writer. Thi
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote:
>>
>>> If no where else it was on the printers for channel control.
>>
to be
replaced, usually at the most inopportune moment.
Charles
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:27:31 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>It was exactly as shown in the Wikipedia photo. It was a very durable, tough,
>high-fiber paper, not at all the same as TTY punch tape -- other than the
>superficial similarity. After all, it made a trip around the sensors every
>page th
recall that in a pinch one could use a loose-leaf or similar
punch.
Charles
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote:
>
>>If no where else it was on the printers for channel control.
>
>Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriage_cont
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote:
>If no where else it was on the printers for channel control.
Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriage_control_tape
>> From: "Tom Marchant" <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ.
Back to the early 70s and the start of my career... as a lowly trainee
operator on an ICL 1904 at the local University...
The programmers would supply their compiled programs in the form of spools
of paper tape, just because the spools were physically compact.
After reading in the same program a fe
In article <0ef78383-f053-5127-1c69-daf5709a5...@acm.org> Joel Ewing wrote:
> On 01/13/2017 02:21 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape
>>> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store.
On 01/13/2017 02:21 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape
>> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At
>> night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to
>> report
DU
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My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an
engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't
have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry.
Always
I guess, Konrad Zuse in the 1930s used movie film for controlling his
machines, too.
The instructions were on the (movie film) tape, and by stepping the
tape, the machine
executed the instructions on the tape. There were no control
instructions, no conditional
branches (of course); only an in
My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an
engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't
have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry.
Always wondered what kinds of images were on those frames!
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I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in
college and my first job. I joine
I used paper tape when I was in the Navy from 1969 to 1979 and then into
the 1980's when I was in the Reserves. I was a CTO or
Cryptologic/Communications Technician Operator and we used paper tape with
the Teletype machines to send and receive messages within our communication
centers.
On Sat, J
This German Wikipedia article about Lochstreifen (paper tape) has some
nice pictures:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochstreifen#Lochstreifenstanzer
and this is a PDF about the display peripherals of our Telefunken machine:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/telefunken/tr440/doku/S
> On Jan 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Tom Marchant
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> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
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>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape
>> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At
>> night he would
Early 029. Course when I got back to class. Could I please program the 029
to do tabbing and verification for data entry folks? I guess-might have to
rip a few drums out of the keypunch lab, but they don't need them.
In a message dated 1/13/2017 5:53:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
00
Paper tape was there you just did not see it unless you was an operator.
If no where else it was on the printers for channel control.
This admittedly was wider than the normal 8 channel tape for many of the
newer printers.
Tape was used for very small updates (well at least by me) to a program
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:51 +, Lester, Bob wrote:
> Dartmouth? I got into quite a bit of trouble when I got a little
> over-familiar with the DTSS system at Dartmouth - one connected to the USMMA
> (among others, I think). This was around 1975/6.
>
> Crashed it once (via acoustic mode
(mostly dumb trivia follows)
> Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape?
As far as I know, IBM products "never"* used fanfold paper tape, but
rather spools. The 1620 had a big paper tape reader, as did the 1130
and 1800 minicomputers. Interesting, when the System/7 came out, IBM
just rebadged ASR
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:23:13 -0500, Randy Hudson wrote:
>In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote:
>
>> I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic
>> Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta.
>
>BASIC? I think Dartmo
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> Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atl
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Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape.
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Don't remember the specifics. I was in the engineering department and we
were using Basic to calculate analog multiplexor settings. The computer was
in Atlanta with an agreement with AT&T long lines for access via acoustic
coupler.
That summer went on an ACM tour of UAB cardio unit and they
In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote:
> I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic
> Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta.
BASIC? I think Dartmouth BASIC was created around 1964, but I didn't
realize it was
I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic
Programs on I think it was a GE635
at one of the Banks in Atlanta. There were eight holes but the 4th from
left was the sprocket feed. If you put the tape in upside down it would saw it
in two.
https://en.wikipedia.org
Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape.
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BTW: the teletypes were General Electric devices, and the paper tape had
8 holes, not 5.
So every row on the tape could hold one 8-bit byte; I don't know what
coding it was.
The machine had neither ASCII nor EBCDIC; it was another special
Telefunken code (Zentralcode).
The General Electric tel
I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in
college and my first job. I joined the army in 1981. I was eventually
assigned to a signal unit in 1984 and lo and behold I had paper tape again in
our radio teletype vans. We transcribed the messages onto the tape an
that was also my last use of a
computer while at Notre Dame.
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When I worked as a student at the university of Stuttgart, Germany
with the Telefunken TR 440 mainframe, before I had access to the display
terminals,
I had to use the card punch (IBM 29, IIRC). But there were also some
teletypes
attached to the machine, which could be used for a time sharing di
Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape?
I did, between school and university. I guess you'd call it a gap year job,
nowadays. :-)
Anyhow, lots of fun to be had with diskette box lids being used to catch
the paper tape as it passed through the reader. If it missed the box the
stuff arced across
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:35:40 +, David W Noon
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>On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant
>(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape
>(was Re: Hidden Figures)"
>> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape.
>>
>> What was it
For the education of the newbies, I'm going to take paper tape back to
the '60s. I was in the Air Force from 1960-1964 as an electronics
technician maintaining cryptographic equipment, some of which was used
with teletype equipment. Teletypes used a 5-bit code called Baudot code.
For those of y
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant
(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape
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> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia
Watch the opening scenes from the movie Colossus for a walk
down memory lane.
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First time I saw paper tape was in school, Vo-Tech, UNIVAC system in 1974-75,
once in the real world starting @ Sears in 1977 never saw paper tape again and
not since, lots of cards no paper tape .
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