Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
ompile under 6.3. > Yeah, it should work, but I would not do it. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:56 AM > To

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Charles Mills
o it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release You are misunderstanding. My concern, a

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release I disagree with that. A new version may simply be new features, none affecting any features the old version supported. From: IBM

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
, January 15, 2020 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Seems to me your problem is recompiling after testing. If you want to avoid problems that re-compiling could introduce, then don't. sas On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:59 AM Frank Swarbrick < fran

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jousma, David
, January 15, 2020 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Here's another gotcha to worry about regardless of compiler version. It was a

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
t On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Migrating to new compiler release Yeah. We do have regressions tests, but it's not built in to change control itself. Perhaps something we should look in to enhancin

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
du> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release We migrate source *and* executable into a controlled stage environment where the app folks are supposed to do one last round of tests. From there, its straight copy

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Jousma, David
:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** You’ve got me there! I would think that chance is relatively small and wouldn’t worry about it

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Michael Babcock
___ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Michael Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:04 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release > > Any difference should be documented in the migration guides I would think. >

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Intentional differences, yes. Bug; probably not! 🙂 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Michael Babcock Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Any difference should

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Michael Babcock
ated by one compiler would be different, for the same statement, for > another. > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Charles Mills > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Migr

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
2020 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Seems to me your problem is recompiling after testing. If you want to avoid problems that re-compiling could introduce, then don't. sas On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:59 AM Frank Swarbrick <

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Steve Smith
___ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Clark Morris > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release > > [Default] On 14 Jan 2020 13:58:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main >

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
level. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release [Default] On 14 Jan 2020 13:58:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main frank.s

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
7;s a short window where that would happen, so probably not worth fretting about. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 3:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release I

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Clark Morris
List on behalf of >Charles Mills >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:09 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release > >> My question has to do with the (probably slight) possibility that the code >generated by one compiler would be

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Allan Kielstra
Thanks a lot, Charles! That's going to occupy a lot of the team's time next week trying to answer that question! So far, I know of at least one that is having a very hard time. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive ac

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release I disagree with that. A new version may simply be new features, none affecting any features the old version supported.

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
: Re: Migrating to new compiler release > My question has to do with the (probably slight) possibility that the code generated by one compiler would be different, for the same statement, for another. It certainly would. If the code generated for every statement was the same for both compil

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:09:29 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >> My question has to do with the (probably slight) possibility that the code >generated by one compiler would be different, for the same statement, for >another. > >It certainly would. If the code generated for every statement was the same

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
een the two. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release I understand that the runtime

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
, January 14, 2020 1:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Hi Frank There are a few relatively minor differences in code generated but these tend to be mostly focused on taking advantage of z15. I assume you're not compiling for z15 (yet)? Other tha

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Allan Kielstra
Hi Frank There are a few relatively minor differences in code generated but these tend to be mostly focused on taking advantage of z15. I assume you're not compiling for z15 (yet)? Other than z15 exploitation, this is like a really big continuous delivery PTF. There is always the possibility

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
the "trail run" for this new version. Frank From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 5:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Is it V6.3 that introduces the

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
arles Mills Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Caution and backups and fallback strategies are always good, but I don't think there is much relationship between *running* a COBOL version X program and having the

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-13 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
oyers would usually insist on it. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating to new compiler release Caution and backups and fallback strategies are

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-13 Thread Charles Mills
Caution and backups and fallback strategies are always good, but I don't think there is much relationship between *running* a COBOL version X program and having the *compiler* version Y installed. I believe all of the runtime is part of LE, not the compiler, and compatibility from VS COBOL II (if I

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-13 Thread Mike Schwab
I would certainly have 6.2 and 6.3 available for a few months of testing, for sure. Probably a 3 way compare with 5.2 so you can be certain of a useable program if you limit to 5.2 / 6.3. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:33 PM Frank Swarbrick wrote: > > I was wondering what "methodologies" shops have f