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On 2022-02-16 22:21 PM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: I thought you guys were asked to take this offline? +1. Enough is enough. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.c

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nesday, February 16, 2022, 9:15 AM, Seymour J Metz > > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, and the dot com crash never happened. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ____

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m crash never happened. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Bill Johnson [00

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> > > > Most top level executives seek to maximize their compensation, even if > that is at the expense of the long term profitability of their company. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > >

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> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >

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; > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 11:17 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re

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profits can also be negative. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Bill Jo

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> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >

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A.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 11:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Again, cash flow can be positive OR NEGATIVE. Profits are what drives stock prices, executive compensation, and i

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_ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... &g

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behalf > of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... > > LOLOLOLOL, what does that even mean? Uber is a prime example of NEGATIVE > cash flow. They’ve NEVER

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__ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Holy Moly

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They could send each other emails privately, but that would kind of miss the point, wouldn't it? Their barbs are ostensibly aimed at each other, but we're the intended audience. Without the audience this would quickly die away. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Winn

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 15:04, Pommier, Rex wrote: > Would you two take your spitting match someplace off IBM-main? The rest > of us don't want to hear it. > And can you stop adding the whole fecking discussion to your 1-lin

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22 9:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... LOLOLOLOL, what does that even mean? Uber is a prime example of NEGATIVE cash flow. They’ve NEVER turned a profit to date & their negative cash flow has been in the billions since they went public in 2019. Explains wh

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... LOLOLOLOL, what does that even mean? Uber is a prime examp

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A.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... LOLOLOLOL, what does that even mean? Uber is a prime example of NEGATIVE cash flow. They’ve NEVER turned a profit to date & their negative cash flow has been in the billions since they went public in 2019. Explains why the stock is significantly below their

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//mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... IMHO, having to look some

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IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 11:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Again, cash flow can be positive OR NEGATIVE. Profits are what dr

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, February 15, 2022 11:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Again, cash flow can be positive OR NEGATIVE. Profits are what drives stock prices, executive compensation, and investment. Revenue drives SOME stocks, mostly newer ones, who invest big for future profits. Which

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ehalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Ouch! I hope your leg healed well. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM

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0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 8:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Then there was no need for the 1967 age discrimination law! LOL I’m not confusing anything. This article is a continuation of the age discrimination lawsuit filed b

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IMHO, having to look something up in the manual is just a routine part of the job -- not something to apologize for. I remember starting a contract for an insurance company in Ohio and being told, after I'd been there a month or two, that what got me hired was that during the interview I said "

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That's heartening news. My impression, just from hearing loose talk, is that at least 50% of the developers I know learned one language (mostly COBOL in the shops where I worked) and didn't care to learn anything else, or in some cases didn't think they could. I'm with you, Shmuel; learning a new

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Hi John, Good thing you're not RUSTy. Regards, David On 2022-02-15 21:47, John McKown wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:34 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: While it's certainly not impossible, it's certainly very difficult to retrain a HLASM programmer to Java, Python, Javascript etc. It's not beca

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esday, February 15, 2022 9:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:34 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > While it's certainly not impossible, it's certainly very difficult to > retrain a > > HLASM programmer to Java, Python, Ja

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defe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 8:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Then there was no need for the 1967 age discrimination law! LOL I’m not confusing anything. This article is a continuation of the age discrimination lawsuit filed by IBM em

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On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:34 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > While it's certainly not impossible, it's certainly very difficult to > retrain a > > HLASM programmer to Java, Python, Javascript etc. It's not because > > they're not smart enough, they just don't want to. > > I've always expected progra

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_ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... You make some good points in this post. None of us on this forum are getting any you

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022 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... I’d suggest / welcome others to join StackOverflow, SuperUser and ServerFault. The tags you are most interested in would be [mainframe,zos,cobol,db2] Server fault also to a lesser extent. StackOverflow is more of a progra

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: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 7:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Patrick, I broke two bones in my right leg right below my knee on Thanksgiving 2019. That gave me a four month head start on teleworking compared to the rest of you. It also changed my outlook about retiring

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mån 2022-02-14 klockan 16:19 -0500 skrev Matt Hogstrom: > there is always RetroComputing as well … they love nostalgic > questions > > https://stackoverflow.com/  > https://superuser.com/  > https://serverfault.com/  >

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2022 4:58 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Go Bob go. I use to believe I would be retired by now, I'm 60+. I got to this point and I like the continuing challenges. I dont want to necessarily retire, maybe lessen the load a bit. This has been my life and I want to stay

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--Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of patrickfalcone7 Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Go Bob go. I use to believe I would be retired by now, I'm 60+. I got to this point and I like the continuin

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one way I found to forget work for a while each day. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Good point Peter, Many of ‘us’ enjoy learning new everyth

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;. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > David Crayford > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... > > You make some good points in this post. None

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Other tech news has started to pick up on this.   https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/ibm-exec-called-older-workers-dinobabies-who-should-go-extinct-lawsuit-says/   https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/14/ibm_age_discrimination_court_documents/   -Original Message- From: IBM Mainfram

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ng Galaxy smartphone Original message From: "Richards, Robert B. (CTR)" <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: 2/14/22 3:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... > some of our guys will go on until 70Some of us

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Crayford Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: Holy Moly ... On 15/2/22 4:53 am, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: >> some of our guys will go on until 70 > Some of us are past that! (Going on for 80!!!) 😊 You're not the only o

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On 15/2/22 5:19 am, Matt Hogstrom wrote: there is always RetroComputing as well … they love nostalgic questions That's awesome! The perfect space :) https://stackoverflow.com/ https://superuser.com/ https://serverfault.com/

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there is always RetroComputing as well … they love nostalgic questions https://stackoverflow.com/ https://superuser.com/ https://serverfault.com/ https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/

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-- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... You make some good points in this post. None of us on this forum are getting any younger and IBM-MAIN doesn't seem to attract yo

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ant him to. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... You make some good points in this post. None of us on this forum are getting any younger and IBM-MA

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On 15/2/22 4:31 am, Matt Hogstrom wrote: I’d suggest / welcome others to join StackOverflow, SuperUser and ServerFault. The tags you are most interested in would be [mainframe,zos,cobol,db2] Server fault also to a lesser extent. StackOverflow is more of a programming site and SuperUser is

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> some of our guys will go on until 70 Some of us are past that! (Going on for 80!!!) 😊 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... You make s

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anted to make the point that not ALL "old timers" are technophobes of the "new stuff". Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy M

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I’d suggest / welcome others to join StackOverflow, SuperUser and ServerFault. The tags you are most interested in would be [mainframe,zos,cobol,db2] Server fault also to a lesser extent. StackOverflow is more of a programming site and SuperUser is more system administration. Server Fault

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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hol

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s watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom Sent: 14 February 2022 15:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Too bad that youth is wasted on the young — Mark Twain m...@hogstrom.org +1-91

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Too bad that youth is wasted on the young — Mark Twain m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 “To achieve great things two things are needed: a plan, and not quite enough time.” - Leonard Bernstein > On Feb 14, 2022, at 6:11 AM, Joe Monk wrote: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/business/econo

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The challenge there is IBM, like Disney with regard to their classics in the vault, didn’t see the value on using that tech to expand markets, they wanted to “keep” is and lots the market. Micro-channel anyone ? It’s not just IBM, its the Innovator’s Dilemma. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org

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Interesting … too bad I don’t subscribe to the NYT, sounds like a good read. Between the lines it sounds like the next generation of IBMers are woke and are willing to discard those that have years of value. Probably no different than in years past for many companies. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogst

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Ah, "more expensive" vs "less expensive", now that IS capitalism -- and perfectly rational, if one balances cost and benefit. I mean, if you get rid of your experienced and competent more-expensive workers and keep your less experience but incompetent ones, you may find yourself regretting the

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Yep. Although I wouldn't blame this on capitalism per se, just humans. When you read some of those emails -- that crack about "dinobabies", for example -- it isn't necessary to think this represents the view of IBM generally. All those documents prove is that youngsters wrote them. And there

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; From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:59 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... > > I didn’t say YOU pushed them out

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f of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Profits are maximized by getting rid of the older, higher cost (wages & health care) employees and hiring younger lower cost ones. P

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du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Profits are ma

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] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... I didn’t say YOU pushed them out the door. The cycle of replacing higher priced workers with lower cost ones always happens. Exactly what capitalism is designed to do. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPho

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defe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... I didn’t say YOU pushed them out the door. The cycle of replacing higher priced workers with lower cost ones always happens. Exactly what capitalism is designed to

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I wonder if "dinobabies" is trademarked? ibm-main is pretty nondescript. ;-) On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, at 6:11 AM, Joe Monk wrote: > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/business/economy/ibm-age-discrimination.html > > "Another email by a top executive, appearing to refer to older workers, > mentions

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eve Horein [steve.hor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... Not really surprising, but I did not see much empathy for those older employees (or IBM in general) in the comments of this topic on reddit: https://secure-web

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] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... When we were young, we helped usher out older workers & we didn’t really think or care about it. Now that it’s our turn in

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List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... When we were young, we helped usher out older workers & we didn’t really think or care abou

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When we were young, we helped usher out older workers & we didn’t really think or care about it. Now that it’s our turn in the ageist barrel, we are shocked & dismayed. As Steve said, not really surprising. This is exactly what capitalism does.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, Feb

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Not really surprising, but I did not see much empathy for those older employees (or IBM in general) in the comments of this topic on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/srq7im/ibm_executives_called_older_workers_dinobabies/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 5:12 AM Joe Monk wrote: > > htt

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Ahh the ignorance of youth. I remember someone enthusiastically explaining to me about VMWARE and how they could run different windows images on the same hardware at the same time. I said "that was old technology on the vm/360 systems in 1977 when I joined IBM". *"Those that fail to learn from his

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ason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of René Jansen [rene.vincent.jan...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 7:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Holy Moly ... It’s that it is n

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It’s that it is now documented and in the newspapers - but is anybody really surprised? Of course it is a disgrace that people who were using VNET and fora when current management sh*t their diapers are now accused of ’not understanding social’. It perfectly jibes with that irrational attack o