Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

Found it: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6355789 https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/system/files/inline-files/IBM_z15_FEx16SA_Performance_2020.pdf - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 9th, 2021 at 9:28 AM, kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.e

Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

Hi Attila, For the curious, a link to the study will be helpful. Is it in TechDocs? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 9th, 2021 at 9:05 AM, Attila Fogarasi wrote: > I don't know about that particular benchmark, but IBM has a published z15 > > zHPF benchmark which do

Re: AWS is down.

Hey Patrick, Please share some info about what enables this, to the extent that you can. I read in some storage blog that Infinidat for example does 30-40 mics on average. With CFs being 2-10 mics, and zHyperLink being ~20 mics, 30-40 for the average I/O seems pretty good. The 400-500 mics that

Re: RSS feed from SYSLOG - RACF messages

Ugh... Those who want to have fun technically can also look at doing this with RACF SMF headers from 2.5 onwards. With a near real-time SMF feed. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 9:35 PM, Sebastian Welton wrote: > I've done similar with AF/Operator bu

Re: 950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

I don't know about that particular benchmark, but IBM has a published z15 zHPF benchmark which does 300k+ IO/sec over a SINGLE FEx16SA channel (using multiple ports). That was published almost 2 years ago (jan 2020). On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:18 PM Clark F. Morris < 03b2c618bdfc-dmarc-requ...@

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Gents, please. No body cares. Joe On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 22:05 Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > No, I quoted IBM I/O claims. Of the mainframe. Even cut & pasted from the > IBM manual. But, we all know you like to always think you’re right. Parsing > stuff is

950K IO max on Z15 LPAR was Re: AWS is down.

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 02:21:28 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Going from 5 milliseconds to one tenth of that is certainly quite significant, >and I have no doubt that one day we will get to the performance that BJ >claimed, but we're not there yet. When it is claimed a Z15 LPA maxes out at 950K I-

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No, I quoted IBM I/O claims. Of the mainframe. Even cut & pasted from the IBM manual. But, we all know you like to always think you’re right. Parsing stuff is your narcissist MO, looking for little things that really aren’t even part of the original reason for the thread. The fact is the mainfra

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Going from 5 milliseconds to one tenth of that is certainly quite significant, and I have no doubt that one day we will get to the performance that BJ claimed, but we're not there yet. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM M

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You started saying 1 microsecond and retreated to 4, which is still a long way from 500. And you're a falure as a telepath; you don't have a clue what I'm thinking. My MO is to act as if facts matter. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

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Stated well -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AWS is down. ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** “Four microseconds is also nonsense”, is exactly what Metz s

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“Four microseconds is also nonsense”, is exactly what Metz said. He STATED that. I knew exactly what game he was playing from the very start. It’s his MO. Narcissism is what narcissists must do. I’m here to get facts, not play games trying to be friends. Knowing who the experts are is more impor

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Don't like to get into these but I have respect for Seymour and would ask you not to fan flames. While I understand Seymour's response he didn't necessarily state anything but questioned the possibility.Seymour I did not mean to put you in any unnecessary positions and apologize if I did. My pos

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https://www.10tv.com/article/news/nation-world/what-caused-the-amazon-internet-outage/507-94219aa6-f510-4e3d-a2b5-5c301a257152 "A problem with Amazon Web Services yesterday caused issues with services such as Disney+ and Venmo for most of the day. Robotic vacuum cleaners halted in their tracks

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LOLOLOLOL, I love when the so called “experts” are proven wrong. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 4:04 PM, patrickfalcone7 <012526080649-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hope you are well. FWIW I've seem mics for sometime but mostly under favorable con

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Hope you are well. FWIW I've seem mics for sometime but mostly under favorable conditions. But lately have found mics on average from under 5 on avg. mills.with somewhat newer array technology on < z15 CPCs.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: S

Re: z/OSMF Missing SYSMODS

Thanks, Kurt - Yeah I saw the ability to export to CVS. Not an ideal solution, but workable. Sorry on the terminology, first time working with z/OSMF. On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM Kurt J. Quackenbush wrote: > > Part of the workflow is to create “Missing SYSMOD Reports’. I get the > > workfl

Re: AWS is down.

You should know nonsense. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 3:00 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Four microseconds is also nonsense. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ..

Re: z/OSMF Missing SYSMODS

> Part of the workflow is to create “Missing SYSMOD Reports’. I get the > workflow to run and it creates a web page table output of Missing SYSMODS. (Just to clarify terminology, you're talking about the "Check for missing SYSMODs" step in the Deployment checklist in z/OSMF Software Management.

Re: AWS is down.

Four microseconds is also nonsense. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 12:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AWS is down. About as

z/OSMF Missing SYSMODS

Going through the installation of z/OS 2.5 using z/OSMF. Part of the workflow is to create “Missing SYSMOD Reports’. I get the workflow to run and it creates a web page table output of Missing SYSMODS. What is missing, unless I didn’t see the option, is to create a Dataset (SMPPUNCH) that will

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Or narcissists. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 12:38 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Don't feed the trolls. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

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Don't feed the trolls. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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About as relevant as the thousands of posts you make. Sorry, 4 microseconds. On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 12:11:24 PM EST, Seymour J Metz wrote: Then how is it relevant to the alleged one microsecond I/O? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: AWS is down.

It might be, but Puta has done similar things in the past. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 11:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

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Then how is it relevant to the alleged one microsecond I/O? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: AWS is down.

The very same day Putin was warned about Ukraine. Coincidence? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: Here’s more insight into the issue: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/report-aws-uncertain-about-true-cause-of-massive

Re: AWS is down.

Here’s more insight into the issue: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/report-aws-uncertain-about-true-cause-of-massive-outage-internal-note-warns-of-firewall-overwhelmed-by-unknown-source/ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson

Re: RSS feed from SYSLOG - RACF messages

I've done similar with AF/Operator but many, many years ago. I wonder if this is the future of doing this: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/z-chatops/1.1.0?topic=overview Sebastian On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 10:15:58 -0500, IBM user wrote: >Has anyone implemented a feed from Syslog using RSS and AF/OPER?

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Of course not. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 10:38 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: ObTheRaven On one channel? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

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ObTheRaven On one channel? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 20

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I should say one thing though... your last statement makes me feel secure with my career lol. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 8:15 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > In 10 years, the mainframe will process some

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In 10 years, the mainframe will process some multiple of transactions it does today. Likely a very high multiple. On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 09:42:26 AM EST, kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: "...I don't want my health care information or my fina

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JP Morgan/Chase has been around since 1799, well the Chase part. They aren't going to be replaced by some Fintech started by a guy/gal barely past puberty. And if any Fintech gets it right, I suspect Jamie Dimon will just purchased them and roll them into the bank. On Wednesday, December

Re: AWS is down.

"...I don't want my health care information or my financial data running on those platforms."... yet. Maybe not Goog or MS, but AWS will surely keep trying to eat IBM's pie. Already, there's zPDT for dev/test-ing in AWS. I mean, it's not real workload, there's still IBM licensing and all, but par

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What I've been saying for years and catching flack for it. I have my pictures on AWS, and buy things that likely run on AWS, or Azure/Google cloud. But, I don't want my health care information or my financial data running on those platforms. On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 09:26:17 AM EST,

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Speaking of finance... changing gears a bit. What's everyone's thoughts on the FinTech developments, digital bank, etc. ? Are they all still just relying on MF for actually doing the work, and just presenting a rosy image to customers and developers? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wed

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Its all about the workload. AWS is not a platform to run the world’s finances on but storing someone’s pictures or having applications where BASE is acceptable and provides accelerated innovation makes it better than the existing processes in many shops today. I have a truck and a Honda Pilo

Re: AWS is down.

Of course, understandable. Does IBM not care about the 'ye olde' image that IBM Z gets in the media. In a recent zOSMF Guild discussion here, we saw a bit of 'trying to be cool/relevant' vibes instead. What I often find myself saying is.. all this MF modernization talk is acting as if MF is as b

Re: AWS is down.

Z15. • Single zOS LPAR running on z15 saturates at about 950K IO/sec. On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 09:05:45 AM EST, Seymour J Metz wrote: On what machine do you complete I/O in a microsecond? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

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Understandable, which is why I said.. for those who can choose a cut-loose-from-compat release. I can't even imagine how much better zOS will get, having cut out tiny or huge baggage here and there. Example: In the recent SHARE's DSFS (dataset file system) session, it was mentioned that it supp

Re: AWS is down.

On what machine do you complete I/O in a microsecond? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent:

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What's the difference between managing 100s of squatty boxes and managing 100s of virtual machines? What matters are the facilities available. Lack of, e.g., RAS, matters, but not the number of boxen. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

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Perhaps it is a mainframe opportunity? Thanks, …….Cameron Vacation Alert: I will be OOO from December 9th 2021 though to January 4th 2022 inclusive. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 11:52 PM To: IBM-

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I have watched this thread, and there is simply one thing most of us are missing. This is a MF forum. For years, we have been subjected to "oh using the (insert new technology) is so much better than these old obsolete mainframes." And we have universally warned not to drink the Kool-Aid. So e

Re: AWS is down.

Hi KB, You goofed again. Your head must be in the clouds (pun intended). You said: "... cut out all the baggage of backward compatibility ..." Backward compatibility is a big part of customer loyalty. Customers expect that their applications will run when processors are upgraded. For example, I

Re: RES: AWS is down.

I don't know, but it will be good to compare solutions like this; without any unnecessary sales flexing built into it. Reckon it's very hard to find someone who knows enough about the major IaaS/PaaS ways that are out there to give us an objective view. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

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Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR? Most of mainframe installations that I know today has contingency plans, mirror backup links, backup power sources etc... Cloud haven´t this, or is too expensive? Carlos Bodra IBM zEnterprise Certified São Paulo – SP – Br

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True, I haven't worked in healthcare. I do apologize for being a bit dramatic in refuting the initial statement. I just don't get the 'this way or no way' perspective, however understandable it is. IBM's own quantum efforts may make MF irrelevant. Tech will keep evolving, yes MF is excellent at w

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Of course, agreed. Just saying that MF isn't the one and only, best possible server/platform, in all of time. What's wrong with others trying, however futile it may or may not be. IBM sure did try when they first created the MF. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 8th,

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Classification: Confidential Yes I remember those days. However, at may last job I went 9 years without an unscheduled service disruption. I have said for many years, that all other things being equal (which they still are not), would you rather manage 100's of squatty boxes or one mainframe?

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I see someone who has never worked in health care where the mainframe processes each drug prescribed and checks for drug interactions in a microsecond. Yes, people die if the mainframe isn’t available. It’s also why there are plenty of pharmacies open 24 hours and why hospitals have pharmacies.

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You said: "...  Did the world not exist before 1960s? Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..." Yes, the world existed before the 1960s and, no, nobody died as a result of no mainframe. You're forgetting that the world was a different place then. Computer-based

Re: AWS is down.

A 'The Register' article post last evening... "AWS wobbles in US East region causing widespread outages'We have identified the root cause and we are actively working towards recovery' - which now appears almost complete" The article was then updated this morning, with an updated status at the end