Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR? Most of mainframe installations that I know today has contingency plans, mirror backup links, backup power sources etc... Cloud haven´t this, or is too expensive?
Carlos Bodra IBM zEnterprise Certified São Paulo – SP – Brazil -----Mensagem original----- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Em nome de kekronbekron Enviada em: quarta-feira, 8 de dezembro de 2021 10:26 Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Assunto: Re: AWS is down. Of course, agreed. Just saying that MF isn't the one and only, best possible server/platform, in all of time. What's wrong with others trying, however futile it may or may not be. IBM sure did try when they first created the MF. - KB ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 5:45 PM, David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > You said: "... Did the world not exist before 1960s? > > Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..." > > Yes, the world existed before the 1960s and, no, nobody died as a result > > of no mainframe. > > You're forgetting that the world was a different place then. > > Computer-based patient care was not invented until 1969. > > I can remember going to my bank (in the 1960S) and having the teller > > write my transaction in my bankbook with a pen. > > The credit card had just been invented. Most people still wrote cheques > > or paid in cash. There were no ATMs until 1969. There were no cellular > > telephones. > > There was no Internet as we know it today etc. > > Regards, > > David > > On 2021-12-08 01:33, kekronbekron wrote: > > > Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying that. > > > > At the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for > > MF to finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue breathing? > > > > What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc). > > > > It sounds as though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to > > lead to their death... is what's being said. > > > > Sounds pretty privileged to me. > > > > It also sounds like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no? > > > > Did the world not exist before 1960s? > > > > Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? > > > > Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to their own > > detriment), etc. > > > > Are we sure that 100% of all information out there is truth, apart from > > this announcement that AWS wants to replace MF? > > > > We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of > > humanity. > > > > Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a complete > > waste of time and people's efforts. > > > > Sounds pretty delusional to me... just to convey that MFs are good servers. > > > > - KB > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > > AWS had a larger & longer outage today, than all the outages on the > > > mainframes I’ve worked on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some > > > here think AWS is going to replace the mainframe for critical > > > applications like banking, health care, big retail, and insurance. Plus, > > > the mainframe has had plenty of negative posts here in the decades I’ve > > > been involved. Nobody dies when Netflix isn’t available. (One of the hits > > > from today) people can and do die if the drugs they need aren’t available > > > because the computer system is down. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, kekronbekron > > > 000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > > > Not at anybody in particular: > > > > > > Do we have to make snide remarks because someone else had an outage? > > > > > > Don't we remember the times when things on the mainframe itself went > > > south? > > > > > > Has every site's MF env. been 100% available through all these decades? > > > > > > Is it wrong to fail sometimes? > > > > > > Is this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto > > > precious remarks and burning the path behind you as you leave? > > > > > > What does that say about one's mentality and outlook in life? > > > > > > - KB > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 3:54 AM, Ronald Wells > > > 000002ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pretty pic/web pages make the $$ did you not get the memo > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > > > Of John McKown > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:57 PM > > > > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: AWS is down. > > > > > > > > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** > > > > > > > > Oh, but they advertise that they can replace mainframe. Well, maybe the > > > > processing. But not the on site reliability. Of course, for WFH, the > > > > internet is the week point. And, most likely, also the home equipment. > > > > I just had to reboot my Windows PC at home because it decided to stop > > > > talking to my internet router. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 12:49 Bill Johnson < > > > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Amazon Web Services is down. I can’t get to my pictures. 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