Re: [Hol-info] Abstract algebra in HOL4 and Isabelle/HOL – Re: Abstract algebra in HOL4 – Re: Release notes for HOL4, Kananaskis-14

2021-02-08 Thread Konrad Slind
> I just want to point out that the goalposts have shifted > slightly. The material pointed to by Michael shows that a fair > bit of basic abstract algebra can be cleanly done in HOL's type > theory, which I gather was the original point in question. > > re: Ken's questions. > > 1. The carrier is e

Re: [Hol-info] proof replay?

2021-01-28 Thread Konrad Slind
Just for clarification: the HOL4 term parser handled the supplied term without alteration, and intLib.ARITH_CONV is the HOL4 analog of INT_ARITH. On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:59 PM Konrad Slind wrote: > Also, there seems to be some inefficiency: the posted formula gets proved > quite q

Re: [Hol-info] proof replay?

2021-01-28 Thread Konrad Slind
) + 36152178747194683600721967 ⇔ T: thm On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:57 PM Konrad Slind wrote: > HOL4 has a notion of persistent theory, so you could spawn many > parallel sessions, each delivering a theory with one result, then > create a single descendant theory, import all the parent > t

Re: [Hol-info] proof replay?

2021-01-28 Thread Konrad Slind
HOL4 has a notion of persistent theory, so you could spawn many parallel sessions, each delivering a theory with one result, then create a single descendant theory, import all the parent theories, and chain your implications or inequalities there. It also provides integer decision procedures, so t

Re: [Hol-info] EVAL when equations have an antecedent

2020-07-30 Thread Konrad Slind
I think so, for example, if "x" is a concrete term, then EVAL "f x" should return a theorem |- f x = c. However, if function f is only defined for x meeting P, then things may be more fiddly. Konrad. On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro < marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: >

Re: [Hol-info] Using @ for multiple selections in HOL Light

2020-02-18 Thread Konrad Slind
If you have |- !p. ?m c. ... as a theorem, then you are set up to use constant specification. Just have to apply SKOLEM_THM to move the existentials out to the top level . Konrad. On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:33 PM Norrish, Michael (Data61, Acton) < michael.norr...@data61.csiro.au> wrote: > Maybe

Re: [Hol-info] Simplify/normalize propositional logic terms?

2019-09-30 Thread Konrad Slind
A couple of places to look in HOLindex: refuteLib and normalForms structure. On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:31 PM Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > Hi, > > it can be proven (by DECIDE_TAC) that, > > |- (q \/ p /\ x) /\ p /\ ~q <=> p /\ ~q /\ x > > but is there any conversion function available in HOL4 suc

Re: [Hol-info] How to express a finite_map or alist using a key list and a value list?

2019-08-07 Thread Konrad Slind
See also examples/balanced_bst/balanced_mapTheory, which has a "fromList" construct. That does have the requirement of having the domain type capable of being ordered. Konrad. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:45 AM Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder what's the most natural/native way to expr

Re: [Hol-info] 0 / 0 = 0 ???

2019-02-19 Thread Konrad Slind
ng). I understand that, historically, it is this disadvantage of > >> harder proofs that was the reason for making ``0/0=0`` in HOL. It's > >> much easier for automated routines if they don't have to consider > side > >> conditions. > &g

Re: [Hol-info] Dealing with INFINITE num set ...

2019-02-16 Thread Konrad Slind
This can be proved by contradiction, using the fact that the set of numbers less than any given number is finite. val lemB = Q.prove (`!N m. INFINITE N ==> ?n. m <= n /\ n IN N`, spose_not_then strip_assume_tac >> `FINITE (count m)` by metis_tac [FINITE_COUNT] >> `N SUBSET (count m)` by

Re: [Hol-info] Dealing with INFINITE num set ...

2019-02-16 Thread Konrad Slind
Rephrasing things might bring clarity: load "pred_setLib"; open pred_setTheory; val set_ss = (arith_ss ++ pred_setLib.PRED_SET_ss); val lem = Q.prove (`~(?N. INFINITE N /\ !n. N n ==> P n) <=> !N. N SUBSET P ==> FINITE N`, rw_tac set_ss [EQ_IMP_THM,SUBSET_DEF,IN_DEF] >- (`FINITE P \/ ?n. P n

Re: [Hol-info] 0 / 0 = 0 ???

2019-02-14 Thread Konrad Slind
It's a deliberate choice. See the discussion in Section 1.2 of http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=775DBF504F7EE4EE28CC5169488F4190?doi=10.1.1.56.4692&rep=rep1&type=pdf On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:40 AM Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > Hi, > > in HOL's realTheory, division is d

Re: [Hol-info] Confused about Induct_on

2019-01-15 Thread Konrad Slind
I suspect that the order of quantification in the goal is important, since that controls how the induction predicate is instantiated. So try !Gamma A. Gm Gamma A ==> !Gamma'. since that makes it explicit for the machinery. Konrad. On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:30 AM Chun Tian (binghe) wrot

Re: [Hol-info] New grammar of defining theorems?

2019-01-07 Thread Konrad Slind
Isn't it clear just from the form? Theorem name quote (ML)--> val name = Q.store_thm(name,quote,ML) Theorem name (ML) --> val name = save_thm(name,ML) On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:34 PM wrote: > Forward and backward give us nice terminology, thanks! It may also be > possible

Re: [Hol-info] How to do this kind of induction?

2019-01-05 Thread Konrad Slind
... also meant to mention that "Induct_on" and "completeInduct_on" have online documentation. On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 3:20 PM Konrad Slind wrote: > There is discussion of something like this in the Euclid's Theorem > tutorial. You can do Induct_on `j - i` or do th

Re: [Hol-info] How to do this kind of induction?

2019-01-05 Thread Konrad Slind
There is discussion of something like this in the Euclid's Theorem tutorial. You can do Induct_on `j - i` or do the trick where you prove ?k. j = i + SUC k, eliminate j, and then induct on k. Konrad. On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 12:35 PM Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > sorry, "i ≤ j” should be “i < j” a

Re: [Hol-info] Element assignment in structures

2018-12-19 Thread Konrad Slind
I recommend learning about the syntax of HOL a bit more. Also, as Michael suggested (to you or someone else) maybe write the code up first as an SML program and then translate to HOL. In any case, here are some nonsense definitions that HOL allows. They should help you get further. load "realLib";

Re: [Hol-info] Element assignment in structures

2018-12-19 Thread Konrad Slind
There seems to be some problems with the syntax. For one, the !ch ... on the right hand side of the definition means that the rhs is boolean, which conflicts with the record values being returned by the if-then-else. Konrad. On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:04 PM 幻@未来 <849678...@qq.com> wrote: > The f

Re: [Hol-info] assumption matching in SPLIT_LT

2018-09-20 Thread Konrad Slind
Seems like the rw[] is breaking the proof into 3 subgoals, and only on the first one is the pop_assum match_mp_tac succeeding. So the proof is failing before it gets to the THEN_LT. Konrad. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM Waqar Ahmad via hol-info < hol-info@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [Hol-info] How to (automatically) change the names of quantified variables in a theorem?

2018-08-03 Thread Konrad Slind
See also Conv.RENAME_VARS_CONV On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:00 AM Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > thanks very much, now I see the possibility of changing whatever variable > names I want! (I never knew nor needed ALPHA before, although > alpha-conversion is familiar to me) > > —Chun > >

Re: [Hol-info] INST on a theorem

2018-07-23 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Dylan, 1. Your "EX" is basically the same as listTheory.EXISTS_DEF (in HOL4). If you are in HOL Light, I am sure there is an analogous definition already available. You should use it, since there are lots of theorems proved about it already and you will save on work. 2. The problem is likely t

Re: [Hol-info] Tactic

2018-06-29 Thread Konrad Slind
Here's an old-school solution: fun locate P left [] = NONE | locate P left (h::t) = if P h then SOME (rev left, h, t) else locate P (h::left) t; fun ASM_CONJ_TAC (asl,c) = case locate is_conj [] asl of NONE => raise ERR "ASM_CONJ_TAC" "no conj in assums" | S

Re: [Hol-info] modelling sequential devices in higher-order logic

2018-04-23 Thread Konrad Slind
In the way Mike and colleagues modelled hardware, a device is modelled as a predicate over the external wires (ports) of the device. Information hiding is achieved by existential quantification (relational composition). The basics of this are laid out in https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM

Re: [Hol-info] About the experimental kernel

2018-04-11 Thread Konrad Slind
End users should see no difference, but occasionally a proof script generated on top of one kernel won't run on the other. That is due to differences in how renaming is implemented in each kernel. For some specific cases, one kernel performs better than the other. The "standard" kernel runs the EV

Re: [Hol-info] verifying the Gordon computer

2018-04-01 Thread Konrad Slind
The proofs might still run. I'd be keen to help get them going, if they can be dug up. After Tamarack, Brian Graham verified a hardware-level SECD machine while a student of Graham Birtwistle. Perhaps they have running versions of those proofs. Konrad On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:39 AM, Lawrence Paul

Re: [Hol-info] Gender-neutral pronouns

2018-01-30 Thread Konrad Slind
Maybe we can stick to higher order logic? This discussion does not belong on hol-info. Thanks, Konrad. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro wrote: > Hello Bram. Welcome to the mailing list. > > On 30/01/18 05:22, Bram Geron wrote: >> I have only just subscribed to this

Re: [Hol-info] Share list of terms with later theories

2018-01-11 Thread Konrad Slind
Theorems that need to persist between sessions are most easily stored by name in theories. Maybe some kind of PolyML database magic could also be used, I don't know. As far as DB searches, it wouldn't be hard to implement a refined DB search mechanism that first discarded all theorems that met some

Re: [Hol-info] INST

2018-01-07 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Michael, What I think is happening is that each quoted element is being parsed separately. This means that the type of the x in `x` is a type variable while the type of `2` is :num. Since INST (I think) just fails if the two types aren't identical, you get the displayed behaviour. There may w

Re: [Hol-info] The origin of the HOL4 logo

2017-12-14 Thread Konrad Slind
Maybe you are thinking of the snow-watching latern? https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/archive/mjcg/lantern.html Konrad. On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Mario Castelán Castro < marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: > Hello. > > I recall having read that the HOL4 logo (as found in TUTORIAL, MANUAL, > DESCRIPT

Re: [Hol-info] On the order of "variable" substitutions in lists or recursive structures

2017-10-23 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Chun Tian, There are all kinds of issues with substitutions and applying them to term-like structures. I would probably start by choosing finite maps (finite_mapTheory) as the representation for variable substitutions since they get rid of most if not all the issues with ordering of replaceme

Re: [Hol-info] Spurious parent theories

2017-10-22 Thread Konrad Slind
When /bin/hol starts up, it is sitting on top of a somewhat ad hoc collection of theories: > ancestry"-"; val it = ["ConseqConv", "quantHeuristics", "patternMatches", "ind_type", "while", "one", "sum", "option", "pair", "combin", "sat", "normalForms", "relation", "min", "bool", "mar

Re: [Hol-info] The use of optionTheory for representing invisible actions in transition systems

2017-10-09 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Chun Tian, For your Label type the most appropriate primitive type would be sums (co-products). These are formalized in sumTheory, so you could look at that if you are interested. However, I think you might lose some clarity in your formalization by using them. Cheers, Konrad. On Mon, Oct

Re: [Hol-info] How to express the uniqueness of an (or a kind of) element(s) in a list?

2017-10-05 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Chun Tian, The constant ALL_DISTINCT in listTheory is what you are looking for, I think. Konrad. On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > Hi, > > (I'm new to HOL's listTheory). Suppose I have a list L which contains > possibly duplicated elements, and I want to express

[Hol-info] Fwd: [mike-gordon-update] sad news

2017-08-22 Thread Konrad Slind
Sad news for hol-info readers, and many others. Mike was a profound influence, a professional and personal inspiration. He is gone too soon. Konrad. -- Forwarded message -- From: Katriel Cohn-Gordon Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:58 PM Subject: [mike-gordon-update] sad news To: mi

Re: [Hol-info] How to write a general EQ_CONV ?

2017-07-22 Thread Konrad Slind
EVAL_CONV should do it. It is a general-purpose evaluator that works by deduction. It may even be that string_EQ_CONV is implemented in terms of it. The documentation about computeLib in the Description should tell you more. Konrad. On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: >

Re: [Hol-info] Counting Subgoals in a Proof

2017-07-11 Thread Konrad Slind
To follow up on Thomas' post, you can easily write a tactical that will do such counting. In the following I print out the number, but you could also store it in a reference cell, as Thomas does. fun COUNT_TAC tac g = let val res as (sg,_) = tac g val _ = print ("subgoals"^Int.toString

Re: [Hol-info] Difficulties in proving the termination of a recursive function

2017-07-01 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Chun Tian, I'd have to look more closely at your desired function to be able to help. But, it's late and my eyes are giving out. If all you are after is to compute free names, maybe there is a better way. The following is what I would do for defining an operation calculating the free variable

Re: [Hol-info] Questions about RTC (reflexive transitive closure)

2017-04-07 Thread Konrad Slind
To print theory "foo" as html : DB.html_theory "foo"; Konrad. On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Chun Tian (binghe) wrote: > yes, I know these signature files, I use them too (when the proofs do not > interest me), but I found that, in signatures, all theorems and definitions > are sorted in

Re: [Hol-info] PAT_ASSUM doesn't remove the assumption now? (and a theorem cannot be proved in K11 any more)

2017-01-16 Thread Konrad Slind
ng used. > > > > Michael > > > > *From: *Konrad Slind > *Date: *Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 07:41 > *To: *Thomas Tuerk > *Cc: *HOL-info mailing list > *Subject: *Re: [Hol-info] PAT_ASSUM doesn't remove the assumption now? > (and a theorem cannot

Re: [Hol-info] PAT_ASSUM doesn't remove the assumption now? (and a theorem cannot be proved in K11 any more)

2017-01-16 Thread Konrad Slind
I have to say that the PAT_ASSUM --> PAT_X_ASSUM change has caused me a lot of pain. I can see the argument for the renaming, but it has broken a lot of proofs. Konrad. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Thomas Tuerk wrote: > Hi Chun, > > PAT_ASSUM was renamed to PAT_X_ASSUM in June. See commit

Re: [Hol-info] How to show the function body in ML?

2016-06-21 Thread Konrad Slind
I think that function is DB.find (PolyML and therefore HOL4 has separate namespaces due to the module system). You can ask the help system about it: help "find"; which will bring up a menu listing all structures known to the help system that have a "find" function in their signature. As foll

[Hol-info] HOL breakthrough in American politics

2016-03-03 Thread Konrad Slind
“By expanding on pioneering work in the fields of applied statistics, higher-order logic, and number theory, we’ve arrived at a new branch of mathematics that provides for a multitude of feasible outcomes in which Donald Trump is not the 2016 GOP nominee,” http://www.theonion.com/article/gop-st

Re: [Hol-info] RESTRICT left over in definition

2016-02-22 Thread Konrad Slind
real example, I also needed to provide > a termination tactic for this call, but in the cut down version > termination is proved automatically, but luckily for me the problem > still showed up.) > > Let me know if you figure it out. > > Cheers, > Ramana > > On 23 Feb

Re: [Hol-info] RESTRICT left over in definition

2016-02-22 Thread Konrad Slind
Looks horrible. There shouldn't be remaining occurrences of RESTRICT. Termination-condition extraction should remove them all. Can you send me a cut-down version of the problematic function? Konrad. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > I have managed to make a definition whe

[Hol-info] NFM 2016 - Call for Papers

2015-12-07 Thread Konrad Slind
The 8th NASA Formal Methods Symposium - http://crisys.cs.umn.edu/nfm2016 June 07 - June 09 2016 McNamara Alumni Center University of Minnesota 200 Oak Street S.E., Minneapolis, MN 55455 Theme of the Symposium -- The widespread use and in

Re: [Hol-info] where is the higher order logic in HOL?

2015-11-18 Thread Konrad Slind
As Michael said, higher order is all over the place, even if first order reasoning is commonplace. One of my favourite higher order statements is the following encapsulation of Skolemization: SKOLEM_THM; val it = |- ∀P. (∀x. ∃y. P x y) ⇔ ∃f. ∀x. P x (f x): thm Konrad. On Wed, Nov 18, 201

Re: [Hol-info] HOL4 build, deps etc.

2015-07-15 Thread Konrad Slind
Quick and superficial answer: A tool called Holdep computes the dependencies by a quick syntacctic analysis of the ML files in the current directory. It then the dependencies in a sub-directory called .HOLMK. Section 6.3 in the Description part of the Manual gives a detailed description of wha

Re: [Hol-info] Bindings for embedded languages in HOL

2015-03-22 Thread Konrad Slind
See (in the HOL4 distribution) examples/lambda/* for quite a lot of lambda calculus based on a nominal-sets approach and examples/fsub for the POPLmark challenge Both by Michael Norrish. Konrad. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, John Harrison wrote: > > Petros writes: > > | I have g

[Hol-info] request for literature pointers

2015-03-13 Thread Konrad Slind
I made the following claim in a document: "user errors in formally modelling artifacts and expressing properties are far more common than errors in the design and implementation of formal methods tools" To me this seems uncontroversial, but it would be nice to be able to point to a paper

Re: [Hol-info] Controlling instantiation in rewriting

2014-12-07 Thread Konrad Slind
HI Rob, I think it would be pretty easy. REWR_CONV and its M-N counterpart HO_REWR_CONV are built from REWR_CONV0 which takes a "part_match" function which actually determines how the lhs of the rewrite rule is matched. Type variables occurring in the hypotheses of the rewrite rule will not be

Re: [Hol-info] CROSS_applied thm.

2014-10-25 Thread Konrad Slind
I am not sure what the problem is: have you done an open pred_setTheory; ? On my machine, the theorem is there: > $hol > > - > HOL-4 [Kananaskis 9 (stdknl, built Wed Oct 22 13:44:55 2014)] > > For introducto

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Light-style parsing in HOL4

2014-10-23 Thread Konrad Slind
Should have mentioned that you should have a look at src/parse/Preterm.{sig,sml} to start. Konrad. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Konrad Slind wrote: > I am sure the technologies are fairly similar. In particular, > the type of preterms exists in HOL-4 and all kinds of &g

Re: [Hol-info] HOL Light-style parsing in HOL4

2014-10-23 Thread Konrad Slind
I am sure the technologies are fairly similar. In particular, the type of preterms exists in HOL-4 and all kinds of syntax manipulation can take place there before typechecking and term construction. Konrad. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Piotr Trojanek wrote: > Dear all, > > is it possible

Re: [Hol-info] The SECD Microprocessor -- A Verification Case Study

2014-06-03 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Gergely: That work was done in the late 1980s. It may be that Brian Graham still has the proof scripts available. However, it would probably be very difficult to build a version of HOL that would run the scripts as-is. An interesting project would be to re-do the theories using up-to-date tec

Re: [Hol-info] MAX ELEMENT OF A LIST

2014-04-24 Thread Konrad Slind
014 at 12:07 PM, Konrad Slind wrote: > Hi, > > Problem is that the max computed on the tail of the list > > let max = Max_List l > > is an element of an option type, so has the form of NONE or SOME m. > However, you are directly comparing max with a number. So the

Re: [Hol-info] MAX ELEMENT OF A LIST

2014-04-24 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi, Problem is that the max computed on the tail of the list let max = Max_List l is an element of an option type, so has the form of NONE or SOME m. However, you are directly comparing max with a number. So the type system is angry at you! Try this instead: val Max_List = Define `(

Re: [Hol-info] proving termination on a partial recursive function.

2014-03-31 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi David, Adding extra constraints to the definition of listInsert is what I would suggest. The typical thing to do is to add the constraints via if-then-else: f(x) = if then else ARB You will get a constrained function definition and induction theorem. How these

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2014-03-25 Thread Konrad Slind
> Konrad, I should definitely read Description's chapter Derived Inference Rules, which seems to be doing much the same > thing as I was attempting in my post. I noticed that Gordon & Melham's book is only mentioned much later and is not in > your bibliography. Could that be because Gordon wrote

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2014-03-24 Thread Konrad Slind
> Osmosis. The original HOL documentation/code included schematic derivations of the derived rules of inference (didn't that > make it into Gordon and Melham?). However, the starting point for that is the rather ad hoc collection of primitive rules and > axioms that evolved into the ones currently

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2014-03-21 Thread Konrad Slind
Bill: > On p 29 of LOGIC, you write that there are constants > Tbool, ∀(α→bool)→bool etc. Why aren't there colons? I would have written that as > T:bool and ∀:(α→bool)→bool > Are the apparent subscripts supposed to indicate colons, or does HOL4 not use colons for type annotations? Throughout th

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2014-03-20 Thread Konrad Slind
My personal feelings on this foundational aspect are that the actual set of axioms isn't that important provided the usual introduction and elimination rules of predicate calculus can be derived from them. My recollection (don't have citations to hand) is that Church originally wanted the untyped

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2014-03-16 Thread Konrad Slind
RE: type bool. I think BOOL_CASES_AX can be derived from choice. There's a topos-flavoured proof (due to Diaconescu?) in Lambek and Scott, which I think John ported to HOL-Light. Konrad. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Bill Richter wrote: > I'm trying to understand Tom Hales's compact descri

Re: [Hol-info] Gathering references for a simple tutorial of HOL4

2014-01-30 Thread Konrad Slind
There is already some material of this sort. See http://hol.sourceforge.net/documentation.html If you write more such introductory material, please let us know. Thanks, Konrad. On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Andrea wrote: > Dear all, > > I am planning to write and publish a brief Hol4

Re: [Hol-info] More on set comprehensions

2013-12-29 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Rob, The code for HOL4 set abstractions says that the bound variables of a set abstraction {t | p} are the intersection of the free variables of t and p unless either side has no free vars, in which case the bound variables are those of the other side. Also, if t has no free vars, then fail.

Re: [Hol-info] MATIS_TAC and REW_TAC choices

2013-10-25 Thread Konrad Slind
There is a flag implemented so that the simplifier tracks which rules are successfully applied. See simpLib.{track,track_rewrites,used_rewrites} Konrad. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > There's no easy way to do this, that I know of, but there are several > difficult

Re: [Hol-info] print depth

2013-06-24 Thread Konrad Slind
Globals.max_print_depth On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > Is there a notion of print depth for the HOL printer, to avoid printing > very large terms in full? (Using PolyML.print_depth doesn't seem to do the > right thing.) > > > -

Re: [Hol-info] tactic works only once

2013-06-16 Thread Konrad Slind
> Could you perhaps tell me what could possibly be behind the behaviour above? Superficial answer: refs Do you get the same behaviour if you invoke t away from the goalstack? t (top_goal()) = t (top_goal()) Konrad. On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > I have run into st

Re: [Hol-info] Learning HOL Light

2013-04-28 Thread Konrad Slind
> I bet the information that p, q, and m have type num is stored somewhere. > I know we can infer the type num from the assumptions, but that's not always true. > Can you tell me where this type information is stored? Every occurrence of a variable in HOL includes the type of the variable. You ca

Re: [Hol-info] Array's in proof

2013-04-15 Thread Konrad Slind
he page :(. > > PS: I think this might be easier if we assume that every element in our > array is the same, however I have no idea how to express assumptions. > > Thank you for your help and time. > > Yours sincerely, > > Jun Jie > > > > > > > 20

Re: [Hol-info] Array's in proof

2013-04-14 Thread Konrad Slind
: ‘a word -> ty >> - partial functions : ‘a word |-> ty >> >> This could make sense if your “int” type is actually a machine word, e.g. >> ``:word32`` in HOL. >> >> Anthony >> >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:12, Konrad Slind wrote:

Re: [Hol-info] Array's in proof

2013-04-11 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi J.J. : First you have to choose how arrays are modelled, i.e., which HOL type is going to be used to represent arrays. Choices: - functions of type : num -> ty - finite functions : num |-> ty - lists: ty list - finite products : ty['dim] Summary of the

Re: [Hol-info] Undefined operations such as division by zero in HOL

2013-04-05 Thread Konrad Slind
condition was chosen as being > easier to work with. > > -Cris > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Konrad Slind wrote: > >> Partial functions are annoying, no matter how you approach them. >> >> One way to introduce a partial operation in HOL is with >>

Re: [Hol-info] Undefined operations such as division by zero in HOL

2013-04-04 Thread Konrad Slind
Partial functions are annoying, no matter how you approach them. One way to introduce a partial operation in HOL is with new_specification. In contrast with new_definition, this allows you to introduce a constant with only its relevant properties. Consider, for example, the so-called division algo

Re: [Hol-info] Documentation about the Simplifier internals

2013-03-16 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Vincent: Michael has done a thorough job of documenting the simplifier: see Section 5.5.4 of the Description. Konrad. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Michael Norrish < michael.norr...@nicta.com.au> wrote: > The HOL4 Description manual has a section on the simplifier. And yes, it > sh

[Hol-info] CFP: HCSS 2013

2013-02-20 Thread Konrad Slind
* The NSA Thirteenth Annual HCSS Conference (2013)* *Call for Presentations* *Introduction* The thirteenth annual HCSS Conference will be held May 7-10, 2013 at the Historic Inns of Annapolis in Annapolis, Maryland. You are invited to submit a proposal to present a talk at this year's conference.

Re: [Hol-info] Improve EXISTS_TAC with by taking hints from the assumption list

2012-12-27 Thread Konrad Slind
FYI. Somewhat related functionality is in Q.REFINE_EXISTS_TAC, which can be used to partially instantiate an existential. But you have to supply a witness, instead of saying "find a witness in the assumptions". Konrad. On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > Dear Vincent, > > I

Re: [Hol-info] Automatic subgoal to apply a conditional rewrite

2012-11-22 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Vincent, Peter Homeier has given a thorough treatment of just this problem some time ago. It can be found in the structure "dep_rewrite". It seems you have to load it before opening it. There is documentation in src/1/dep_rewrite.sml in the distribution. Cheers, Konrad. On Thu, Nov 22, 20

Re: [Hol-info] Hol Light -- Where's the "Easy" button?

2012-11-04 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi John, No it's not that hard. A calculation-like goal such as CARD {3;4} = 2 is a one-liner in HOL4 and I'd be surprised if that wasn't also true in HOL-Light. In HOL4 the one-liner is an invocation of the simplifier, using the implicit set of rewrites, so RW_TAC (srw_ss()) [] solves i

Re: [Hol-info] MP_TAC

2012-10-30 Thread Konrad Slind
> Ok, so if I understand this correctly the validity checks are only in > place to keep you from going down an inference chain that is guarenteed > to go no where in making progress towards proving your goal. This being > only an issue when searching for the proof itself in the interactive > promp

Re: [Hol-info] Can I define a ZF FOL constant using only FOL symbols?

2012-09-07 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Gottfried, I didn't read all of your (long) message. However, I agree with Josef: conservative extension principles for FOL are well known, even if not discussed in all set theory texts. I just consulted two (Shoenfield's "Mathematical Logic" and Moschovakis "Notes on Set Theory"): the former

Re: [Hol-info] rigorous axiomatic geometry proof in HOL Light

2012-08-30 Thread Konrad Slind
> >Generally speaking, I'd say that "the automation is too powerful" >is a problem we'd love [miz3] to have! > > Great! Right now it's not powerful enough for me. Bill, I'm struggling to understand your point of view. Of course, more automation is a good thing, but presumably in your sett

Re: [Hol-info] rigorous axiomatic geometry proof in HOL Light

2012-08-13 Thread Konrad Slind
> Konrad, this is very interesting, because it's so much like sets.ml: > >There is also a description of sets in HOL4 in the manual. Start at >p. 102 of the HOL4 Description document: > > Yours & Michael's Description manual starts pretty much like sets.ml which I > cited above. Not surpr

Re: [Hol-info] rigorous axiomatic geometry proof in HOL Light

2012-08-13 Thread Konrad Slind
>> Does HOL4 have anything comparable to sets.ml? > Yes it will have, and it will probably be spread over many source code > files, but I'm afraid I don't know where this is in the HOL4 source. This > is a question for HOL4 community, Michael et al. I'm more of a HOL Light > and HOL Zero person.

Re: [Hol-info] rigorous axiomatic geometry proof in HOL Light

2012-08-05 Thread Konrad Slind
> Anyway, I've asked myself the same question above, when some HOL person > will start to implement a version of "sections" or "locales". My estimate > is that when starting today, it would take approx. 5 years to make this > become real. Our very first version of Isabelle locales can be seen here

Re: [Hol-info] Proof assistants for way more people

2012-07-19 Thread Konrad Slind
I wrote: >> It also suffers from the problem that a polymorphic formula >> assumed in this way can't be instantiated. Asserting an axiom >> is more powerful. In HOL4 axiom usage can be tracked in a similar >> way to how assumptions are propagated, so you can get the same >> effect as using an assum

Re: [Hol-info] Proof assistants for way more people

2012-07-19 Thread Konrad Slind
> HOL Light just prints them in full, I think. Ah well, > as I already wrote, this way of working does not appeal > too much to me anyway :-) > > Freek It also suffers from the problem that a polymorphic formula assumed in this way can't be instantiated. Asserting an axiom is more powerful. In HO

Re: [Hol-info] How do I reinitialize HOL in the command window?

2012-06-11 Thread Konrad Slind
>> Send (or post) a minimal failing version and the maintainers can help >> you. > > I thought it was me causing problems by loading my own scripts after > "HOL/examples/euclid.sml", but it wasn't. The failure comes from making the "divides" constant an infix after its definition. All is fine the

Re: [Hol-info] How do I reinitialize HOL in the command window?

2012-06-11 Thread Konrad Slind
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote: > I'm using HOL4 in the Windows console. I load a file using the "use" > command, like this: > > use "E:/E_main2/binp/HOL4k7/examples/euclid.sml"; > On windows I usually run HOL4 under emacs. But of course that's just personal preference. > I then edit so

Re: [Hol-info] [HOL] TypeBasePure.gen_datatype_info undocumented (#65)

2012-06-06 Thread Konrad Slind
Sounds like a bug. Can you send me sources? Thanks, Konrad. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Ramana Kumar wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Konrad Slind wrote: >> >> Note that Datatype.build_tyinfos is only guaranteed to work on >> types that Hol_datatype produce

Re: [Hol-info] [HOL] TypeBasePure.gen_datatype_info undocumented (#65)

2012-06-06 Thread Konrad Slind
ot for your reply. > I'm going to take this discussion onto the mailing list rather than the > issue tracker. > Further comments and questions below. > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Konrad Slind > > wrote: >> >> Right, that's exactly the situat

Re: [Hol-info] Announcement: Prooftoys visual proof assistant for higher-order logic

2012-04-24 Thread Konrad Slind
You can also check out src/bool/boolScript.sml in the HOL4 distribution where quite a few theorems are proved about the connectives and quantifiers. Those are forward proofs since tactics don't yet exist at that stage of system build. So they should be easy to adapt to your framework. One exam

Re: [Hol-info] congruence theorems for partial higher-order functions

2012-03-30 Thread Konrad Slind
Short answer: totalize MAP2 and you can prove the desired congruence without mentioning LENGTH. Long answer : you can prove the congruence without the LENGTH l1 = LENGTH l2 clause for a definition of MAP2 that is explicit about what happens when one of the lists is empty and the other is not.

Re: [Hol-info] Back to HOL again!

2011-09-30 Thread Konrad Slind
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Paul Loewenstein wrote: > > I'm back on HOL after more than a decade-long hiatus.  How it's improved! Lots more automation than back in the day. Also lots more theories and examples. Konrad. --

Re: [Hol-info] [Hol-developers] Hol example: Simple, functional, sound and complete parsing for all context-free grammars

2011-04-26 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Tom, That would be fine. If you feel a need to mention untidy proofs, just add a mention in the README file. For lemmas, they can sometimes just be put in auxiliary files that the xScript.sml file depends on. I'm not sure if that's what you are asking ... Konrad. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1

[Hol-info] Call for participation (Trusted Extensions of ITPs)

2010-07-13 Thread Konrad Slind
://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kaufmann/itp-trusted-extensions-aug-2010/ There is no registration fee. If you are interested in attending, please send an email to konrad.sl...@gmail.com so that we can plan for numbers. Regards, Matt Kaufmann and Konrad Slind (co-organizers) Mike Gordon (local arrangements

Re: [Hol-info] how to use hol4

2010-06-18 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Xiaoyu, There's a "quick-start" document at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mom22/HOL-interaction.pdf and the HOL4 release has extensive documentation in the Manual directory. Konrad. On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:57 AM, xiaoyu xu wrote: Dear everyone, I have installed ML and HOL4 in window

[Hol-info] Fwd: Rockwell Collins Automated Analysis

2010-04-26 Thread Konrad Slind
Begin forwarded message: From: Rita Gatto Date: April 23, 2010 6:33:07 PM CDT To: sl...@cs.utah.edu Subject: Rockwell Collins Automated Analysis Hello Konrad Once again, RC is expanding and has an opening under Matt Wilding in the Automated Analysis group. Rockwell Collins is pursuing a

Re: [Hol-info] the different between with type and datatype in HOL4

2010-04-11 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Amy, Matrices are an interesting modelling example, since there are several viable approaches. For extreme simplicity, I would use functions of type num -> num -> 'a to represent them. That makes many of the basic operations quite easy. You will also need to include the rows

Re: [Hol-info] loading a huge definition in HOL

2009-09-16 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Behzad, A 6000 line term is probably making the parser and/or type inferencer work very hard. It might be better to build the term using term constructors such as mk_neg, mk_conj, mk_disj, mk_exists, etc. Cheers, Konrad. On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Behzad Akbarpour wrote: > Hi everyone;

Re: [Hol-info] specify an out-of-order universally quantified variables?

2009-09-12 Thread Konrad Slind
Hi Lu, This is easy to code up in HOL. You can strip the leading foralls, use INST to replace your variable by a term and then put all the foralls back, except for the replaced one: fun MY_SPEC v tm th = let val (vs,body) = strip_forall(concl th) val (_,vs') = Lib.pluck (eq

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